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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28726: Mar 7th 2015 at 11:08:40 AM

Found a pretty good Guardians example of old characters interacting with new ones: This is pretty much the first time Drax(who before the book pretty much had only interacted with Nova, Gamora and a small bit with his daughter in the last 2 or so years)interacts with his daughter's girlfriend(who before pretty much only interacted with Nova, Moondragon and Adam Warlock before this book)when they aren't in battle.

Damn I really wanna see this in the movie now. Or imagine overprotective dad Drax trying to vet his daughter's love interest.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#28727: Mar 7th 2015 at 11:55:47 AM

I like how there's an argument about how wrong it is for the film to be killing off War Machine even though the only things to support that happening are no info about his role in the film and Tony needing a motivation for Civil War.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#28728: Mar 7th 2015 at 12:11:39 PM

Strange things happen when people don't have much info to go on.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28729: Mar 7th 2015 at 12:17:32 PM

[up][up]Which was not even spurred by any information regarding death but the mere acknowledgement that Hawkeye is going to appear in another film.

The internet is a strange place.

edited 7th Mar '15 12:20:49 PM by comicwriter

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#28730: Mar 7th 2015 at 12:25:04 PM

Why I never post comic panels/pages with Rhodes: He doesn't show up in any of the books I read, focus on or like with his one appearance thus far being "Hey, I'm Carol Danvers boyfriend since some time back despite this having never been shown in the pages before or even hinted at since she needs to have a boyfriend. Oh, now I'm sad since she's leaving for space and I only got about 1 page with her before I disappear from the story forever."

edited 7th Mar '15 12:27:03 PM by LordofLore

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#28731: Mar 7th 2015 at 12:25:56 PM

wild mass guessJoss Whedon will kill Ultron and his death will motivate Tony for Civil War.wild mass guess

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#28732: Mar 7th 2015 at 12:27:53 PM

"Even though he tried to destroy us and wipe out all of humanity with cold indifference, he was my son!"

edited 7th Mar '15 12:28:14 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#28733: Mar 7th 2015 at 12:48:42 PM

Maybe because it is a coincidence? An unfortunate one, but still a coincidence. And it's not the two black guys, Falcon's still around, as is Heimdall, and with Black Panther just on the horizon to make his debut it's not like the MCU snaps back to being all-white.

Three black guys makes the MCU pretty stupidly white. Where are the Hispanic, Asian, Indian, Middle Eastern, multi-racial people?

This is why I'm completely okay if they want to race bend some of the more important superheroes.

If the white super heroes become too important to kill off then you're left with their minority sidekicks for some cheap drama.

Anyways I'd rather keep War Machine around. Once Robert Downey Jr. leaves we'll need someone to take his place.

edited 7th Mar '15 12:52:25 PM by MadSkillz

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#28734: Mar 7th 2015 at 1:17:37 PM

[up][up][up] Yeah, I always thought Rhodey/Carol's relationship came out of nowhere so it baffles me that so many people ship it hardcore and treat it like it's their Carol OTP. Really the only thing the two share in common is work for the military. It's a severe case of Pair the Spares.

lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#28735: Mar 7th 2015 at 1:31:07 PM

Is it really okay to collect races for characters in the same way people collect Pokemon? Seriously.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28736: Mar 7th 2015 at 1:48:32 PM

The Asian people are in Ao S and I suspect we will see much more of them in context with the Inhumans.

And I honestly wanted to know what is so great about War Machine from someone who likes the character. Perhaps there is something I am missing, a storyline which is worth exploring, perhaps a particular storyline from the comics which is popular? Just because I don't see how his story can be developed further it doesn't mean that there aren't any options I am simply not aware off.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28737: Mar 7th 2015 at 1:54:44 PM

Rhodey/War Machine/Iron Patriot is interesting because he's tied to the government a lot more than anybody now that SHIELD is mostly gone.

This has been mentioned already but I guess that didn't count for some reason.

But yeah, in Iron Man 3 there was a lot of good material about Rhodey chafing a bit at the hierarchy. He preferred War Machine but the higher ups rebranded him for the PR.

Also, if he replaces Iron Man there's a lot of good material that can be built on that: not only having to replace Tony and second-guessing what would Iron Man do and all that but also if he's going to be Iron Man instead of the Iron War Machine Patriot, it probably entails stepping away from the chain of command so that would be a big change for him too.

edited 7th Mar '15 1:55:06 PM by Bocaj

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28738: Mar 7th 2015 at 1:58:26 PM

[up]Mmmm....good point. Though the government has been pretty ineffective so far. They first would have to built it up as a serious power.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#28739: Mar 7th 2015 at 2:01:36 PM

[up]x4 Does this mean Rhodey is a shiny Tony Stark?

edited 7th Mar '15 2:01:58 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#28740: Mar 7th 2015 at 2:05:01 PM

Is it really okay to collect races for characters in the same way people collect Pokemon? Seriously.
Is it really okay comparing people wanting to see diversity in works of fiction and bemoaning that only three races are represented to people wanting to "collect" them? Seriously.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Watchtower Since: Jul, 2010
#28741: Mar 7th 2015 at 2:08:09 PM

Besides the points Bocaj made, there's also the general appeal of an army guy in a badass suit of armor. He doesn't have the intellectual know-how of Stark, but Stark doesn't have the giant minigun. grin

Besides that, there's also the fact that, if they decide to go into Avengers West Coast, it would be good to keep War Machine around.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28742: Mar 7th 2015 at 2:09:16 PM

RE: Rhodey:

Er, why would they kill off Rhodey? Isn't he considered a New Avenger? Which they'll inevitably need for the next Avengers movie since it looks like the original team will split after dealing with Ultron?

And just because they don't mention him prominently doesn't mean he's getting the ax, does it? Look at WS, they barely acknowledged Maria Hill, but she turned out ok.

Speaking of New Avengers...

wild mass guess The MCU!Spider-Man movie will have The Stinger be about Director Coulson wanting to talk to Peter about the "New Avengers Initiative" a la how Iron Man 1 had Fury wanting to talk to Tony about "The Avengers Initiative". wild mass guess

EDIT: Anyone hoping/praying that Rhodey will go back to being War Machine in AOU?

edited 7th Mar '15 2:17:12 PM by TargetmasterJoe

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#28743: Mar 7th 2015 at 2:27:29 PM

I like how there's an argument about how wrong it is for the film to be killing off War Machine even though the only things to support that happening are no info about his role in the film and Tony needing a motivation for Civil War.

If Rhodey lives, I'll be the first to admit to panicking over nothing. But the fact that no one's really talked about his role worries me.

As for characters dying...while I of course prefer characters not to die, I'm not entirely against the idea if it fits the scenario - Ultron is the Big Bad of an Avengers movie, and combined with the character's history, is going to be built up as a big threat - such a threat makes it seem like someone ought to die stopping him. That said, there are other ways to build villain cred, and some good ones are to have him A) thrash the good guys in a fight, and B) villainous deeds on a larger, grander scale than ever seen before. From what I can tell, they're going for both, so hopefully, they don't need to do C) kill off a prominent supporting character. I guess we'll just have to wait.

Oh God! Natural light!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28744: Mar 7th 2015 at 2:33:53 PM

I am not saying that Rhoday HAS to die...I am just saying that he would be the logical choice if they decide to kill off one of the actual heroes.

But, hey, I came up with a reason why nobody of the heroes will die this time around: Civil War! They'll want as many heroes as possible involved in this one.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28745: Mar 7th 2015 at 2:42:51 PM

wild mass guess New Avengers roster: wild mass guess

  • Spider-Man
  • Doctor Strange
  • Ant-Man (Scott Lang)
  • War Machine or Black Panther
  • Luke Cage
  • Iron Fist (he and Cage can be what connects their Netflix shows to the MCU.)

...

Ok, I'm gonna be straight here. All this talk about how Rhodes might not make it is giving me the creeps.

Well, what if he ends up like Happy Hogan in IM 3? Critically injured but still alive? Huh? Anyone up for that?

...

edited 7th Mar '15 2:44:43 PM by TargetmasterJoe

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#28746: Mar 7th 2015 at 2:53:10 PM

Seems like the only other Marvel superhero toy that was revealed with the Square Enix Iron Man and Hulkbuster Armor was a statue of the Wasp based on the comics.

edited 7th Mar '15 2:53:47 PM by LordofLore

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#28747: Mar 7th 2015 at 2:54:24 PM

@Karkat They talked about his role. Can you stahp? :p

West Coast Avengers:

Captain America

War Machine

Scarlet Witch

Quicksilver

Black Widow

Falcon

East Coast Avengers:

Iron Man

Hulk

Spider-man

Ant-man

Captain Marvel

Hawkeye

I kinda expect Thor to go take control of Asguard as his out for when Chris wants to leave.

edited 7th Mar '15 2:59:29 PM by MadSkillz

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#28748: Mar 7th 2015 at 3:00:21 PM

Well, what if he ends up like Happy Hogan in IM 3?
I initially read that as "with Happy Hogan" and briefly tried to contemplate how that would work.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#28749: Mar 7th 2015 at 3:17:47 PM

[up] Geez, sorry about that.

That was never my intention.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28750: Mar 7th 2015 at 3:18:22 PM

For some reason I have already an idea in my mind how the run of some of the characters will end....

Thor will simply go to Asgard Loki will turn into a child Tony will simply retire from being Iron Man because he is getting to old for it, but he will still be around tinkering (either for real or off-screen). Since Bruce is indestructible, he will be around for a long, long time...but if they ever decide to write him out, they either have to get rid of the hulk or turn him into the hulk permanently (and the latter option would be very depressing). For Steve a heroic dead might seem the logical direction, but I somehow feel that he will get at a point at which he decides that he doesn't want to be a soldier anymore. Nick Fury will go down in a truly heroic spectacular fashion...and then the suggestion lingers that he might have survived after all, because there will always be a Nick Fury in the shadows.


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