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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
@Ultron and the Twins: We don't know that Ultron wants to wipe out all life. In fact, considering most of the plot summaries we've been given, he probably wants to save most people, or at least some. His mission is to keep the Earth safe by eliminating the most dangerous people, hence him going after the Avengers.
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are joining him for the reason he wants to destroy the Avengers... they, like him, want to change the status quo. They see the need for radical change before things can get better, and from all descriptions they have enough of a beef with the Avengers that they would join him to destroy them.
As for why Ultron needs them, there could be any number of reasons. Companionship, sadistic desire to destroy the Avengers from the inside that Scarlet Witch could do better than anyone, need for validation that he isn't the only one that thinks his ideas are right. Part of what makes Ultron Ultron is that he isn't dictated solely by logic. He has emotions, twisted ones maybe, but they're still there and they still have a hold on his actions.
edited 7th Mar '15 10:10:01 AM by Khfan429
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That sounds like really good example of bringing in new characters that help flesh out the old characters. That's exactly the kind of stuff GotG 2 needs to do.
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I'm guessing Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are told Ultron doesn't want to wipe out all life, but, come on, let's be honest here, he totally wants to wipe out all life. That's what he does. It's his whole shtick. Maybe he'll need Scarlet Witch's powers for something or other, I don't know.
edited 7th Mar '15 10:12:44 AM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.Whedon's already said he needed someone to have Ultron talk to, otherwise he's just monologuing and explaining his plans to nobody.
And it's pretty easy to see why he wants them. His plan is to tarnish the Avengers' reputation and rip them apart "from the inside", and Scarlet Witch's mental powers are obviously very useful for that.
I really do hope that Ultron does, in fact, have plans that need to be thwarted beyond "get rid of the Avengers". One of the most frequent arguments we hear by in-universe civilians against supers is that they eventually start spending more time on grudge matches than on actually protecting people, or that people only need to be protected because the villain is doing bad shit to draw out the hero. And sometimes they even have a point!
I mean, granted, it's as good a thing to lead into Civil War as any, but at the same time it is my least favorite flavor of superhero story and it'd suck if Age of Ultron had to stoop to that just so that there can be backstory for another movie down the line.
I mean, if you think about it, that's literally the same problem Iron Man 2 had—Tony's pretty much only saving his own hide and the hides of the people being killed by the folks trying to kill him, all for the purposes of setting up another movie.
I guess you could argue the same for The Incredible Hulk, but at least there Banner tries to do the obvious thing and stand down.
edited 7th Mar '15 10:19:18 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Found a pretty good Guardians example of old characters interacting with new ones: This is pretty much the first time Drax(who before the book pretty much had only interacted with Nova, Gamora and a small bit with his daughter in the last 2 or so years)interacts with his daughter's girlfriend(who before pretty much only interacted with Nova, Moondragon and Adam Warlock before this book)when they aren't in battle.
Don't the trailers pretty broadly hint his plan is Kill All Humans? Getting rid of the Avengers first just seems like his personal grudge but also has the pragmatic purpose of making sure there's nobody to stop him.
On the whole "Should Rhodey die?" thing, I personally think no one needs to die, and that just the mistake of releasing Ultron out into the world should be enough to send Tony into whatever you want him to do in Civil War.
Also, I don't think Rhodey should be given immunity for being black. However, I do think he should be given immunity for being a superhero. He's the goddamn War Machine. There's no way you can just replace the War Machine. I'd rather kill Coulson off again than strip the MCU of the War Machine.
edited 7th Mar '15 10:38:14 AM by Watchtower
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Oh my god that's adorable
Also, do I want Moondragon and Phyla-Vell to hook up before the events of the movie, or to gradually get together over the course of it? (Assuming they're both in GOTG 2, which they might not be.) I'm not sure which would be more fun to watch.
edited 7th Mar '15 10:41:44 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.![]()
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That's what I thought. Though why he'd stop at just humans I don't know. If he had a motivation like the Dragons of Earth from X/1999 we might have something here.
edited 7th Mar '15 10:45:20 AM by AlleyOop
@Swanpride Some people think it's a bad idea. This conversation is just going in circles at this point.
I'm sure there will be a Kooky Quartet mythology gag at some point in AOE even if it isn't actually called that. They have said Hawkeye will have longer interactions with them than the other Avengers.
edited 7th Mar '15 11:19:11 AM by comicwriter
Ultron almost always wants
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(Please don't ask why Ultron looks like Janet in the last picturenote )
It's the poster in question just repeatedly saying the same thing over and over, responding to everyone who expresses distaste for the idea of killing Fury or War Machine and then trying to say "But okay he's boring" or "It has nothing to do with race". Some people clearly don't like the idea while others do. At this point it's all in one stupid loop going around in circles.
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I'm laughing so hard at his first words are basically "Fuck you, dad."
edited 7th Mar '15 11:04:03 AM by comicwriter

Got to be introducing new characters.
Also, Drax's revenge plot is relevant if Moondragon shows up and is his daughter.
Gamora can get more effort on her plot if Nebula shows up. Or anything else because we know she had a shitty childhood but it wasn't really elaborated on. Maybe (hopefully) if Phyla-Vell shows up, she doesn't like Gamora because of her bloody past. Maybe Gamora sympathizes with Moondragon for being separated from her family and raised by someone else ("Yeah but I was raised by awesome people who worshiped me as a god and you were raised by a guy with a weird chin. There's a difference in our situations." "I don't like you anymore."). Her interactions were mostly with Peter in the movie so maybe she gets a new dynamic with another one of the guardians. They can have something remind her of her training from hell. Any number of things can be used to flesh out Gamora more.
edited 7th Mar '15 10:07:09 AM by Bocaj
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