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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#28151: Mar 2nd 2015 at 5:12:17 PM

[up] Well, I suppose her portrayal could have been better. There's always the next movie.

Though I think everyone got the same amount of fight scenes. I don't think anyone was really short-changed in terms of focus, either. Except maybe Groot, but there's only so much you can do with 3-5 words.

edited 2nd Mar '15 5:12:56 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#28152: Mar 2nd 2015 at 5:12:52 PM

James Gunn's reasoning for not including her, though, seem to be about her script being (allegedly) entirely different from the finished material, not that she's a weak and pathetic woman.

It could mean that, but it's a pretty big assumption.

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#28153: Mar 2nd 2015 at 5:13:01 PM

Wow, that is a shitty thing to do.

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#28154: Mar 2nd 2015 at 5:16:43 PM

He also did a "PG Porno" with Sasha Grey

...What a strange resume this guy has.

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Wackd Since: May, 2009
#28155: Mar 2nd 2015 at 5:17:07 PM

[up][up][up]I mean, the fact that he's not willing to share even a little bit of credit, even though the film wouldn't have gotten rolling without her...I mean, Perlman is the first woman to have a writing credit on an MCU film. You do kinda have to wonder if he'd be as eager to distance himself and take full credit if she wasn't.

[up]He also worked for Troma for a long time and gave some of his friends from those days Guardians cameos.

edited 2nd Mar '15 5:17:37 PM by Wackd

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#28157: Mar 2nd 2015 at 5:21:09 PM

No, clearly it's not a big enough leap. Obviously Gunn is such a disgusting monster he said he'd only share credit if she blew him .

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#28158: Mar 2nd 2015 at 5:25:12 PM

I don't see where the snub is either. From the sound of it, her most noteworthy contribution was selecting Guardians of the Galaxy as a workable adaptation and suggesting the lineup in the first place.

Is that impressive? Mildly. But according to the article, she herself mentioned needing another writer to make it comedic, and considering what a huge chunk of the movie is comedy... I don't think Gunn wanting to take the bulk of the credit is unreasonable. She got the Guardians' foot in the door, but from the sound of it Gunn's the one who forced it open and proved it was workable. If they'd gotten a bad director and it had flopped? I doubt people would be nearly as quick to call foul for people not pinning it on her.

edited 2nd Mar '15 5:30:51 PM by Khfan429

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#28159: Mar 2nd 2015 at 5:30:17 PM

[up][up]I find Gunn's article makes him come across as a bit of a sleaze, and I doubt his attitude has really changed all that much in the last few years (worth noting he only apologized for some of his comments when his job as director was at stake). So his "Man, why do people think my favorite character is male?" bit comes across as a bit forced.

But I don't think he's a monster. There is some middle ground there, you know.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#28160: Mar 2nd 2015 at 5:38:38 PM

[up]I mean, you'll note I said he has a reputation for misogyny rather than flat-out calling him a misogynist. I think there's a difference.

And, I mean, I do think Gunn makes a good point. If you're a dude, unless you've got a massive reputation for feminism people are gonna assume you're into male heroes because normative values and such. But I think Gunn might be missing that, well, there's other reasons people might be making that assumption about him.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
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#28161: Mar 2nd 2015 at 5:44:04 PM

I'll say that his background working in trashier films probably filters into his current work and writing, but I haven't seen anything that paints him as a flat out misogynist. He seems quite decent otherwise.

And if mainstream success convinces him to rein in the worst of his past impulses, I'll consider that a win.

edited 2nd Mar '15 6:02:25 PM by edvedd

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#28162: Mar 2nd 2015 at 6:42:35 PM

As to the character herself, who are we thinking? Moondragon? Quasar? Mantis?

I actually saw a neat theory that since Thanos apparently has a odd fetish for raising the daughters of his victims to be assassins, and that Gunn had said we'd meet more of Thanos' "children" in future movies, perhaps he took Drax's daughter (Moondragon) and raised her like he did Gamora and Nebula after Ronan killed Drax's wife.

edited 2nd Mar '15 6:42:54 PM by comicwriter

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#28163: Mar 2nd 2015 at 7:12:33 PM

[up]That would be neat. But even if that isn't the exact plot, Moondragon is the easiest of the comic guardians to be included in the sequel, as she have a connection with one of the members already. And if she is in, the chances of getting a Qasar increases as well. At any rate, I really hope the break the damn Smurfette Principle by introducing more than one new female character. The complete unbalance in the gender ration among super heroes is becoming really uncomfortable already.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#28164: Mar 2nd 2015 at 7:12:50 PM

He's expressed disinterest in using more Earth-originating heroes than Star-Lord. That eliminates Mantis. It would also generally eliminate Moondragon, but since Drax doesn't appear to be from Earth at all in the MCU, she might not be.

Based on the clues, it's probably Phyla-Vell.

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#28165: Mar 2nd 2015 at 7:14:00 PM

All of the people I know who have met Gunn personally (admittedly, that's like 2 people) referred to him as a very strong misogynist. That was actually before we watched GOTG.

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#28166: Mar 2nd 2015 at 7:18:29 PM

[up][up]That eliminate Mantis as much as it eliminates Drax and Moondragonnote . She can easily be made an alien if needed. Hell, I don't think I ever knew she was from Earth before reading this thread, and I did read some of the Guardian of Galaxy run she was in.

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#28167: Mar 2nd 2015 at 7:19:15 PM

Bug Mantis could easily be rewritten as an alien since her celestial madonnahood or tree husband (ex-husband?) never come up.

But I'm hoping for some Phyla-Vell

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#28168: Mar 2nd 2015 at 7:34:03 PM

Phyla-Vell could be pretty cool since she's basically Marvel's Green Lantern in terms of powers.

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#28170: Mar 2nd 2015 at 8:14:30 PM

More Ant Man trailers or RIOT

seriously i'm really looking forward to it

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#28174: Mar 2nd 2015 at 8:20:24 PM

Ugh.

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#28175: Mar 2nd 2015 at 8:20:37 PM

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