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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28051: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:41:31 PM

By being smart? Possibly. But there's more to the character than that. Unfortunately if we're disqualifying Asian superheroes on the basis of possessing stereotypical elements, that probably eliminates almost all of them. Most of Marvel and DC's Asian characters tend to be A) Martial artists B) Scientists C) Ninjas or D) Some combination of all three.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#28052: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:42:25 PM

I have to give Disney plaudits for Big Hero 6 again, because the actors actually more or less matched the ethnicity of their characters, right down to the half-Japanese lead being played by a half-Japanese actor. It's a pretty big deal because this is animation, which doesn't really rely on physical appearance. Remember, the black kid in Billy and Mandy was played by a white woman. tongue

The characters in BH 6 were pretty typical character archetypes, but they were never really defined by racial stereotypes, so that's cool.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#28053: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:42:26 PM

Thanks to Spider Island and his appearances in Spider-Man in general, I am a big supporter of Shiang Chi being in. You know, as long as he becomes less of a 70's martial artist stereotype, which is more or less has shaken off in modern times but which is still a basic part of his premise as a character.

Hell, his father in the comics is Fu Manchu (seriously, dafuq?). I figure if he ever does show up they can change that to his father being the Original Mandarin that we were introduced to in the oneshot (it's the gift that gives twice - letting them do the Archnemesis Dad plotline and giving "Hail To The King" an actual point to existing).

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#28054: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:44:10 PM

comicwriter: Given the sheer amount of Marvel's heroes that are scientists period, I don't know if their Asian characters also being scientists can be considered that much of a stereotype.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#28055: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:47:46 PM

Which is why it's probably for the best that Ant Man in the MCU will be Scott Lang. Too many scientists, y'know. tongue

I also wonder sometimes if Cassie Lang showing up is a potential lead in to a Young Avengers thing somewhere down the line.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28056: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:48:28 PM

[up][up][up]It's funny you'd say that because making his dad the real Mandarin was how I felt you could handle the situation well. You have the benefit of a Chinese hero and his diverse supporting cast so it's not like you run into the Iron Man problem where it seems like you're singling out the Asian dude to be the bad guy.

And I think at one point they did try to reimagine him as a more modern Jet Li-like character but it didn't take.

edited 1st Mar '15 5:48:56 PM by comicwriter

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#28057: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:49:52 PM

As an Asian, 'scientist' is probably the best-case scenario when it comes to stereotypes.

I don't mind everyone thinking that we're geniuses. tongue

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#28058: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:50:54 PM

[up]I doubt that was the reason they are using Cassia Langnote , but it could be a way to springboard the team down the line, yeah.

Though, persinally, if they were to do a teen team, I would rather they went with the Runaways. Didn't they have plans for the movie at some point?

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#28059: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:52:11 PM

I remember that. Was Joss Whedon also attached to that at some point?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28060: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:52:17 PM

[up][up]Yup. It actually got pretty far along (they were even casting) before it got scrapped.

edited 1st Mar '15 5:52:27 PM by comicwriter

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#28061: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:53:01 PM

Hazmat from Avengers Academy is Japanese-American. Uh, that's one of the few I can think of off-hand.

Oh, wait, Mantis is Vietnamese-German-Spacebug. That probably partially counts.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#28062: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:53:41 PM

I'd like to see them try a Runaways movie.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#28063: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:56:13 PM

[up][up][up] Wait, it was scrapped?

...

...

Well, poop.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#28064: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:56:19 PM

[up][up][up]...Mantis is Vietnamese-German?

You just remind me a Avengers Academy movie would be neat.

[up]Yeah, poop indeed.

edited 1st Mar '15 5:57:10 PM by Heatth

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#28065: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:57:53 PM

Mantis and Cho are probably their best choices at this point.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#28066: Mar 1st 2015 at 5:59:41 PM

[up]If Mantis ever show up in the movies (which I hope she does), I doubt they will keep her human origins. She will be made an alien just like Drax (which will probably be for the best). I guess her actress could be Asian, but not a lot of people will notice if it isn't.

edited 1st Mar '15 7:12:57 PM by Heatth

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#28067: Mar 1st 2015 at 6:06:36 PM

[up][up][up] I'd like an Academy movie but I doubt it would happen.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28068: Mar 1st 2015 at 6:38:50 PM

There is a chance we'll get Colleen Wing in one of the Netflix shows.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#28069: Mar 1st 2015 at 6:43:48 PM

Ok, I just saw winter soldier, very good and all but two questions: how black widow survived the electric shock(really it fried everyone else but she just shurg off) and how her and fury manage to get in the ship to get falcon in time? aside for that two point, very good movie

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Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#28070: Mar 1st 2015 at 6:47:18 PM

The Widow's sting discs are non-lethal. They just knock you unconscious. As for why she woke up so fast when everyone else has been down and out for at least several minutes its possible they discs have settings and she turned down the intensity of the one she used to short the chest melter.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#28071: Mar 1st 2015 at 6:58:41 PM

She may also have been trained in taking electric shocks.

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#28072: Mar 1st 2015 at 7:02:18 PM

There were bits of the new AOU trailer where it looks like she was operated on.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#28073: Mar 1st 2015 at 7:02:57 PM

Did she even use the stinger discs on anyone else? I only remember them being used twice before that, both on mechanical/electronic targets.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#28074: Mar 1st 2015 at 7:14:55 PM

I'd like an Academy movie but I doubt it would happen.

Yeah, but, you know, dreaming is free.tongue Although I would rather have the Runaways than them. Not necessarely because it is the better book, but because it is the one that fits the movie format the better.

edited 1st Mar '15 7:24:51 PM by Heatth

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#28075: Mar 1st 2015 at 7:21:42 PM

The first arc would make a great movie. Might have to cut down on some stuff but its a good story.

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