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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Batman, Spider-man, X-men, Fantastic four...they all started with TV or animated shows which made them more mainstream before they were deemed "worthy" of a movie. That's simply how it works, you have to built up the popularity of a character before you invest millions in a movie project. I mean, was anyone truly screaming for a Black Widow movie before "The Avengers"? Not that I remember.
No, because the idea that racebending is inherently saying minorities can't cut it unless they're white men is a suggestive view in its own right. Not every case of racebending comes about from an immediate desire to see diversity in as cheap a way as possible.
For instance I imagine Will Smith playing Deadshot had less to do with someone saying they want a black guy in the Suicide Squad movie (when there are already several black members in the comics) and more to do with "Holy shit, Will Smith wants to play the lead in our movie!"
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Do you think that either would have gotten that much attention if they weren't part of the MCU (that's provided that Ant-man will even do well)? Got G had the additional advantage of being a Space Opera...there really aren't many good Space Operas out there, despite people liking them. So whenever a good one comes around, there is an audience for it.
I am not saying that the direct jump is impossible, but it is risky, and I can't blame movie companies of not taking the risk.
edited 1st Mar '15 1:19:37 PM by Swanpride
Sure, but I'm still not sure how you get from "I think racelifting is insulting to minorities and shouldn't be done" to "I think racelifting is mean to white people and shouldn't be done". Those are two different statements.
I'm just saying, maybe don't read more into things than people actually said?
I went back to the first few pages of the thread and all of the movies that people talked about wanting to see there actually happened/are happening aside from a Hawkeye movie(including wanting the twins in a Avengers movie, Luke Cage and Strange). Haven't found anyone talking about a Black Widow movie yet but this thread seems to have lost a lot of posters after the first early days.
This whole thing comes across like moving the goal post.
Don't insult me by accusing me of goal posting when all I'm doing is trying to accomodate different angles of your very same recurring complain, even trying to make concesions at some points (like Disney probably be willing to go with the risk of using a less known character like Miles at the end of the day). If all I'm going to get from trying to address different sides of a multifaceted and very complex issue are slights just because I'm not sticking to the one-way black and white (no pun intended) approach you want to take with this, then I'm afraid there'll be no point on continuing this discussion.
edited 1st Mar '15 1:25:53 PM by NapoleonDeCheese
x8 Well, that's a load of bullcrap. Wasn't that poll listing Peter and Miles as the ONLY choices? Pretty obvious False Dichotomy. Like I said the last time this came up, I personally think some people swarm to "ANYONE BUT PETER" because they don't like him, not because they particularly like Miles. I betcha Miles would have a lot less than 30% of the vote if we added in Spider-Gwen, Spider-Girl, 2099, etc as options.
edited 1st Mar '15 1:31:21 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.How about tokatsu Spider-Man?
He's an emissary from hell, after all.
Plus: giant robot.
I'd vote for him.
edited 1st Mar '15 1:31:36 PM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThe poll really means nothing. It tells us that... the more popular and much more well-established character wins in an informal poll with what's probably a slightly mainstream-skewed voting group? What a surprise.
Although I agree: Toku Spiderman is good. It was nice to see him and Leopardon pop up in Spider-Verse.
edited 1st Mar '15 1:33:06 PM by TenebrousGaze
@comicwriter Which is exactly why now after the MCU has established itself, characters like Luke Cage, Black Panther and Captain Marvel are on the adaptation list. Beforehand the best I was hoping for was a Wonder Woman movie if DC finally wakes up. But now, there are infinitive possibilities. And I am ready to wait and see how Marvel will use them...when the do the Inhumans with an all white male cast, then I'll complain. But considering that the first two official Inhumans in the MCU are two Asian Woman, I don't think I have to worry.
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Exactly. See, there's precedent for an Asian Spider-Man. And you can't argue he's a cheap Peter Parker knockoff, at least.
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That too.
edited 1st Mar '15 1:33:12 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.And again I'm not seeing this whole huge contingent of people who supposedly hate Peter Parker.
edited 1st Mar '15 1:35:53 PM by comicwriter
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MC 2 Spider-Girl, however, is just as logical a choice for a non-Peter Spider-Man as Miles. It would basically be the same deal as the Ant-Man movie, where we just start off with the Legacy Character.
She's called Spider-Woman in-universe.
edited 1st Mar '15 1:37:25 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.Larry-Boy, on the other hand, has no such excuse.
edited 1st Mar '15 1:38:46 PM by spashthebandragon
I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
x9 IIRC the core Inhuman "team" in the comics are pretty much all white men aside from 2 white females and a dog(second best after DnA's Cosmo
◊) so hopefully they won't go with that one.
edited 1st Mar '15 1:47:13 PM by LordofLore

Btw, the Peter/Miles poll is still around 70% for Peter with 5000 more votes.
edited 1st Mar '15 1:14:53 PM by LordofLore