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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#28001: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:14:01 PM

[up]x10 X-Men has been team movies since day one unlike the MCU which likes to do solo movies. When they put out the idea of doing solo movies like Origins for Magneto, Storm etc people made their displeasure known which is probably why First Class felt like an origin movie for Magneto since they probably had the beginning of a script for a movie with him already.

Btw, the Peter/Miles poll is still around 70% for Peter with 5000 more votes.

edited 1st Mar '15 1:14:53 PM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28002: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:14:03 PM

[up][up]We had a whole discussion where someone referred to it as wrong and "Two wrongs don't make a right."

edited 1st Mar '15 1:14:12 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28003: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:14:16 PM

Batman, Spider-man, X-men, Fantastic four...they all started with TV or animated shows which made them more mainstream before they were deemed "worthy" of a movie. That's simply how it works, you have to built up the popularity of a character before you invest millions in a movie project. I mean, was anyone truly screaming for a Black Widow movie before "The Avengers"? Not that I remember.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28004: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:15:54 PM

You mean like all the exposure Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man had before they were given movies? People were definitely begging for those two to get movies!

edited 1st Mar '15 1:16:45 PM by comicwriter

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#28005: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:16:02 PM

[up]x3 I feel like Peter having 70% of the vote is less telling than Miles Morales, a relatively unknown character who's only been around a few years, having 30%

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
The Permanently Confused
#28006: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:16:38 PM

[up][up][up][up]Not having racially diverse films and insulting minorities by implying they can't be successful without aping the white man aren't two wrongs?

edited 1st Mar '15 1:16:51 PM by CorrTerek

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28007: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:18:38 PM

[up]No, because the idea that racebending is inherently saying minorities can't cut it unless they're white men is a suggestive view in its own right. Not every case of racebending comes about from an immediate desire to see diversity in as cheap a way as possible.

For instance I imagine Will Smith playing Deadshot had less to do with someone saying they want a black guy in the Suicide Squad movie (when there are already several black members in the comics) and more to do with "Holy shit, Will Smith wants to play the lead in our movie!"

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28008: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:19:19 PM

[up][up] [up][up]Do you think that either would have gotten that much attention if they weren't part of the MCU (that's provided that Ant-man will even do well)? Got G had the additional advantage of being a Space Opera...there really aren't many good Space Operas out there, despite people liking them. So whenever a good one comes around, there is an audience for it.

I am not saying that the direct jump is impossible, but it is risky, and I can't blame movie companies of not taking the risk.

edited 1st Mar '15 1:19:37 PM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28009: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:21:18 PM

Do you think that either would have gotten that much attention if they weren't part of the MCU

And presumably, any minority film made would ALSO be getting attention by virtue of being tied to the MCU.

CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
The Permanently Confused
#28010: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:22:32 PM

No, because the idea that racebending is inherently saying minorities can't cut it unless they're white men is a suggestive view in its own right. Not every case of racebending comes about from an immediate desire to see diversity in as cheap a way as possible.

Sure, but I'm still not sure how you get from "I think racelifting is insulting to minorities and shouldn't be done" to "I think racelifting is mean to white people and shouldn't be done". Those are two different statements.

I'm just saying, maybe don't read more into things than people actually said?

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#28011: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:23:53 PM

I went back to the first few pages of the thread and all of the movies that people talked about wanting to see there actually happened/are happening aside from a Hawkeye movie(including wanting the twins in a Avengers movie, Luke Cage and Strange). Haven't found anyone talking about a Black Widow movie yet but this thread seems to have lost a lot of posters after the first early days.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#28012: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:24:47 PM

This whole thing comes across like moving the goal post.

Don't insult me by accusing me of goal posting when all I'm doing is trying to accomodate different angles of your very same recurring complain, even trying to make concesions at some points (like Disney probably be willing to go with the risk of using a less known character like Miles at the end of the day). If all I'm going to get from trying to address different sides of a multifaceted and very complex issue are slights just because I'm not sticking to the one-way black and white (no pun intended) approach you want to take with this, then I'm afraid there'll be no point on continuing this discussion.

edited 1st Mar '15 1:25:53 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#28013: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:29:04 PM

[up]x8 Well, that's a load of bullcrap. Wasn't that poll listing Peter and Miles as the ONLY choices? Pretty obvious False Dichotomy. Like I said the last time this came up, I personally think some people swarm to "ANYONE BUT PETER" because they don't like him, not because they particularly like Miles. I betcha Miles would have a lot less than 30% of the vote if we added in Spider-Gwen, Spider-Girl, 2099, etc as options.

edited 1st Mar '15 1:31:21 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#28014: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:31:19 PM

How about tokatsu Spider-Man?

He's an emissary from hell, after all.

Plus: giant robot.

I'd vote for him.

edited 1st Mar '15 1:31:36 PM by Bocaj

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TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#28015: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:32:07 PM

The poll really means nothing. It tells us that... the more popular and much more well-established character wins in an informal poll with what's probably a slightly mainstream-skewed voting group? What a surprise.

Although I agree: Toku Spiderman is good. It was nice to see him and Leopardon pop up in Spider-Verse.

edited 1st Mar '15 1:33:06 PM by TenebrousGaze

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28016: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:32:23 PM

@comicwriter Which is exactly why now after the MCU has established itself, characters like Luke Cage, Black Panther and Captain Marvel are on the adaptation list. Beforehand the best I was hoping for was a Wonder Woman movie if DC finally wakes up. But now, there are infinitive possibilities. And I am ready to wait and see how Marvel will use them...when the do the Inhumans with an all white male cast, then I'll complain. But considering that the first two official Inhumans in the MCU are two Asian Woman, I don't think I have to worry.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#28017: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:32:27 PM

[up][up][up]Exactly. See, there's precedent for an Asian Spider-Man. And you can't argue he's a cheap Peter Parker knockoff, at least.

[up][up]That too.

edited 1st Mar '15 1:33:12 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28018: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:33:14 PM

Well, that's a load of bullcrap. Wasn't that poll listing Peter and Miles as the ONLY choices? Pretty obvious False Dichotomy. Like I said the last time this came up, I personally think some people swarm to "ANYONE BUT PETER" because they don't like him, not because they particularly like Miles. I betcha Miles would have a lot less than 30% of the vote if we added in Spider-Gwen, Spider-Girl, 2099, etc as options.
That's because those are by far the two most likely common sense choices. Spider-Man 2099 would be interesting but I can't see that happening because it defeats the entire purpose of integrating Spider-Man into the MCU. And Spider-Gwen has all the problems people raise about Miles (not enough stories to adapt, not enough villains or supporting cast yet) times a thousand because the first issue of her comic LITERALLY dropped like four days ago.

And again I'm not seeing this whole huge contingent of people who supposedly hate Peter Parker.

edited 1st Mar '15 1:35:53 PM by comicwriter

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#28019: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:35:37 PM

By the way, does the character literally go by Spider-Gwen, or is that just a fan/title thing? Because it's kind of a terrible choice if she's trying to have a secret identity.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#28020: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:35:38 PM

[up][up]MC 2 Spider-Girl, however, is just as logical a choice for a non-Peter Spider-Man as Miles. It would basically be the same deal as the Ant-Man movie, where we just start off with the Legacy Character.

[up]She's called Spider-Woman in-universe.

edited 1st Mar '15 1:37:25 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#28021: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:35:55 PM

Well, Spider-Man 2099 and Spider-Gwen are a hispanic man and a woman, respectively, so I'm fine with either of them or Miles, really.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#28022: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:36:58 PM

[up][up][up]No, she goes by Spider-Woman. Spider-Gwen is just used since they already have a book titled Spider-Woman.

edited 1st Mar '15 1:37:12 PM by comicwriter

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#28023: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:37:18 PM

She's Spider-Woman. She's just known as Spider-Gwen because she was introduced when a bunch of other Spider-Women were running around too and she needed a unique name. Plus, there's already a Spider-Woman book so hers needed a unique title.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#28024: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:38:17 PM

Larry-Boy, on the other hand, has no such excuse.

edited 1st Mar '15 1:38:46 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#28025: Mar 1st 2015 at 1:38:49 PM

[up]x9 IIRC the core Inhuman "team" in the comics are pretty much all white men aside from 2 white females and a dog(second best after DnA's Cosmo) so hopefully they won't go with that one.

edited 1st Mar '15 1:47:13 PM by LordofLore


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