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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#27876: Feb 27th 2015 at 2:08:05 PM

Scarlett Witch's kids are named... Wiccan and Speed. Like, after herself and her brother.

Ugh.

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#27877: Feb 27th 2015 at 2:11:14 PM

[up][up][up][up]Sorta. But they did born at one point. Wanda created the magically by picking up random souls from hell or something like that. But then they disappeared because some weird magical story (I think a demon came to claim the souls back). Eventually the avengers figured out the souls reincarnated into two random guys, Billy Kaplam and Tommy Shepherd.

The problem is that both boys are teenagers of, at last 15 years. And the events with Wanda having and losing their children can't have happened more than a few years ago.

[up]Yup. And they look just like uncle Pietro also (which means they look like Magneto as well).

Incidentally, that was how they figured out they were Wanda's magical children. They noticed that Tommy looked like Billy twin and that they just happened to have the same power set as the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver (and that they just happened to have the same name as Wanda's "dead" children).

edited 27th Feb '15 2:13:12 PM by Heatth

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#27878: Feb 27th 2015 at 2:15:00 PM

The Young Avengers are big on legacy names. All team members(dead or alive)codenames:

  1. Iron Lad(really Kang)
  2. Patriot
  3. Hulkling
  4. Marvel Boy
  5. Miss America
  6. Prodigy
  7. Speed
  8. Wiccan(or Asgardian as he called himself at first)
  9. Hawkeye
  10. Loki(who is actually not the good and nice Kid Loki he says he is)
  11. Stature
  12. Vision(the real one edit:[down]D'oh!)

edited 27th Feb '15 2:23:50 PM by LordofLore

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#27879: Feb 27th 2015 at 2:16:00 PM

[up]Vision is not the real one, actually. He had the same body and powers, sure, but the personality was different.

PS: Miss America and Prodigy are the only ones who are not legacy characters somehow in that list.

edited 27th Feb '15 2:17:19 PM by Heatth

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#27880: Feb 27th 2015 at 2:20:16 PM

Also I think Noh-Varr might just be Noh-Varr now, not Marvel Boy, although the point still stands.

Legacy is sort of the point of the YA though: Most members are inspired by or related to other heroes, with a few exceptions.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#27881: Feb 27th 2015 at 2:22:50 PM

[up][up]I always forget that. Chavez actually has the same codename as a WWII hero IIRC.

[up]He called himself Marvel Boy until someone said he was a disgrace to the name Vell IIRC which was a big deal to him since Mar-Vell was pretty much the greatest Kree hero ever.

edited 27th Feb '15 2:32:15 PM by LordofLore

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#27882: Feb 27th 2015 at 2:24:21 PM

[up][up]The only exceptions are America and Prodigynote , both from the most recent book. Gillen's run was awesome in many ways, but that was one criticism I had. Two of the characters he introduced there didn't really fit the YA theme.

EDIT:Never mind, apparently Miss America was a character back in the 40s. And Prodigy was a character in the 90s. But the YA characters are not connected to nor inspired by them, so it still feels a bit weird.

edited 27th Feb '15 2:26:54 PM by Heatth

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#27883: Feb 27th 2015 at 2:36:06 PM

The best/worst thing about the stupid Wanda babies thing is that it was part of a West Coast Avengers storyline with a villain called Master Pandemonium that they kept fighting.

His power was that he could turn his arms and legs into demons, leaving him with sleeves and pantlegs just sort of dangling. He had sold his soul to Mephisto and was trying to get all the chunks back and had a star shaped hole in his chest where the soul would go, of course.

The West Coasties tangled with him a few times as part of some nonsense going on with Tigra's cat soul.

So it turns out that the two kids were two chunks of his soul and he came and took them. But then it turned out it wasn't his soul, it was part of Mephisto because he's a dick.

That's not really important but its funny how involved the whole nonsense is.

Edit: That info was mostly in the link already. I just liked Master Pandemonium except his part of the whole babies thing. He was so amazingly goofy.

edited 27th Feb '15 2:55:31 PM by Bocaj

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#27884: Feb 27th 2015 at 2:58:11 PM

[up][up]America is weird because she's technically a Legacy Character but at the same time isn't. She's using the original Miss America's name but Kieron Gillen said she's probably not even aware there was a Golden Age Miss America because her whole thing is she really doesn't give a fuck about superheroes.

Revealing interview with Chris Hemsworth.

  • Thor is mostly divorced from Asgard and living with the Avengers. Ultron starts off as a personal threat but Thor is the one who begins to realize this may all be connected and part of something that goes as far back as Avengers 1.

  • Thor and The Vision will have a Let's You and Him Fight scene when they first meet.

  • We'll see Thor fly more.

  • Thor's ancient knowledge apparently becomes extremely useful to the conflict with Ultron.

  • Ultron will be Thor's equal and able to fight him hand to hand.

  • As we know, Scarlet Witch forces the Avengers to face their biggest fear. Thor's is becoming corrupted by power, much like Loki was.

edited 27th Feb '15 2:58:21 PM by comicwriter

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#27885: Feb 27th 2015 at 3:09:44 PM

Thor's makes sense but I find it interesting that while this is going on in the MCU the comic Thor showing up in Ultron Forever is apparently extremely afraid of becoming unworthy. I was guessing they were going to do the same for the MCU one just so he can get the hammer back in Ragnarok.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#27886: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:13:57 PM

Re: That Spider-Man poll a few pages back- None of you voted Peter Porker.

I hate you all so fucking much.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27887: Feb 27th 2015 at 9:12:07 PM

Huh. I just realized the "bigger picture" with Thor may be how the Avengers learn of Thanos. There's a line from the Infinity War trailer where Iron Man says something about "Up there, that's endgame" which wasn't from any previous Iron Man film, so I assume it gets spoken in this one.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27888: Feb 28th 2015 at 4:56:57 AM

Chris Evans might change his mind in a couple of years, but currently he wants to get out of acting and start directing instead. But who knows...if Marvel offers him a directing gig in change for him doing one or two additional movies in-between....the popularity of The Winter Soldier and his character might help to sway him, too. Tough he might need a break from the character in any case.

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#27889: Feb 28th 2015 at 6:16:08 AM

I'm expecting him to die in Civil War, and for his appearance in Avengers 3 to be post-mortem. Meaningful flashbacks, maybe a brief interaction with him from beyond the grave via the Soul Gem, etc.

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#27890: Feb 28th 2015 at 6:22:40 AM

I'm kind of hoping he survives Civil War, and then dies heroically in Infinity War (possibly even defeating Thanos in the climax of Part 2 by doing so).

edited 28th Feb '15 6:22:58 AM by TrashJack

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Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#27891: Feb 28th 2015 at 6:32:25 AM

One way or another, I expect him to be alive and kicking in Infinity War, whether it's because he survived Civil War or Time/Soul Gem shenanigans.

Because that moment of him fighting Thanos in the original Infinity Gauntlet storyline is too cool not to adapt.

edited 28th Feb '15 6:33:40 AM by Khfan429

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27892: Feb 28th 2015 at 6:36:19 AM

Perhaps he dies in Civil war and is resurrected in Infinity war and then retires after it.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27894: Feb 28th 2015 at 7:13:47 AM

The theory that he dies in Civil War only to come back in Infinity War via the Soul Gem or Time Gem is a popular theory, but I'd really rather they not do that. Let his death stick and be meaningful in-story, not another fake out.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#27895: Feb 28th 2015 at 8:17:04 AM

[up]

Perhaps they could foreshadow it at the end of Civil War. For example in the post-credit sequence we see a character who is explicitly from the future (for example Tony Stark in a battle-worn Iron Man costume) appear and take Captain America's body into the future where the technology to revive him exists.

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#27896: Feb 28th 2015 at 8:37:26 AM

I wasn't suggesting him coming back to life. I was suggesting a post-mortem appearance. Say, at a fateful moment, the Soul Gem allows Cap to speak to the Avengers and inspire them from beyond the grave or something.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27897: Feb 28th 2015 at 9:19:24 AM

I don't think there's any chance that Infinity War Part 1 at least doesn't have the original six in it.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27898: Feb 28th 2015 at 9:23:54 AM

I was thinking alternatively, it could be the opposite, where Part 1 is a newer team (given that pretty much everyone involved has said the end of Age of Ultron sees a change-up of the roster) and then the originals coming back for Part 2.

This made me chuckle.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#27899: Feb 28th 2015 at 9:34:56 AM

I love that Cap says "We tried"

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27900: Feb 28th 2015 at 4:04:43 PM

So a lot of the sites are placing odds on what the big announcement will be. The consensus for likely choices seems to be

  • Another AOU trailer.

  • Confirmation that he's extended his contract to include Infinity War.

  • Spider-Man casting news.

  • Carol Danvers casting news (if she's debuting ahead of her own movie like Black Panther).

  • Iron Man 4 (I'd be disappointed if that's the case).

  • Some concept art and official casting announcement for Civil War.


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