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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#27851: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:54:54 AM

sn't Kang one of the more iconic Avengers villains, though? Won't the movies want to use him at some point?

After Thanos? If they get that far I'm do't see the harm. He about Ultron level in infamy, the only other candidate I've seen most Avengers fans see as the Arch-Enemy of the whole team so it's not like he has no-one that wants him on screen. The problem is how much of his history is worth adapting.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27852: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:57:04 AM

Ultron and Kang are probably the two most iconic Avengers villains that aren't a Rogues' Gallery Transplant so I expect him to be in Avengers 4.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27853: Feb 27th 2015 at 9:03:17 AM

Today's poster. Da Chief.

And because Chris Hemsworth is lazy, Jackson put up his too.

edited 27th Feb '15 9:04:12 AM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27854: Feb 27th 2015 at 9:07:25 AM

Should Marvel get Fantastic Four back at that point, I'd love for a FF movie featuring Rama-Tut as the villain premiere in the same year as a Kang the Conqueror Avengers movie.

And then have them revealed to be the same guy in The Stinger in whichever movie comes last in the most confusing, Timey Wimey, and contrived way possible.

edited 27th Feb '15 9:14:50 AM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27855: Feb 27th 2015 at 9:17:11 AM

That change so much about them that makes you wonder why use them in the first place. Although I guess it is possible to just ditch Speed and keep Wiccan, focusing on his relationship with Hulkling and, possible, him being the demiurge(but that is a alternate universe story, which is just as confusing as time travel).

It depends on whether or not Scarlet Witch is a Reality Warper in the movies, but I guess you could say Speed and Wiccan are something she accidentally creates while being tortured/experimented on by HYDRA.

Their ages always made very little sense (there's no way in-universe the incident with Wanda's babies was already 18-19 years ago) so I always assumed they'd received an offscreen Plot-Relevant Age-Up anyway.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#27857: Feb 27th 2015 at 9:43:56 AM

Alright, have there been enough of these to put together? I'm pretty sure they're parts to a whole.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#27858: Feb 27th 2015 at 10:03:19 AM

Has there been any overlap? Like, you can see parts of other people in the posters.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#27859: Feb 27th 2015 at 10:38:48 AM

Their ages always made very little sense (there's no way in-universe the incident with Wanda's babies was already 18-19 years ago) so I always assumed they'd received an offscreen Plot-Relevant Age-Up anyway.

That was my point. Time travel would tie back to the YA original story and serve as an easy(er) answer for the kids age.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#27860: Feb 27th 2015 at 10:48:02 AM

Nick fury is included, that means more than eight posters!

@Speed and Wicken; considering that the MCU works in real time; it's actually possible that you could have the children, just, grow up.

I think Runaways could compile a few other young heroes into the team, on the ground Marvel is so eager to do something with the property, and shaking up the roster means it's no longer a foregone conclusion who the mole is.

I expect post Phrase 3 Kamala Khan and possibly focus movies for the Maximoffs and or Vision will take the place of heroes who's actors' contracts run out.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#27861: Feb 27th 2015 at 10:48:47 AM

[up][up][up]Not that I've noticed, unlike last time, but I'm still suspicious.

edited 27th Feb '15 10:49:02 AM by wanderlustwarrior

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27862: Feb 27th 2015 at 10:55:27 AM

Ah, they clearly prefer Black Widow with short hair in the Avengers movies, which is a shame - I thought her look in Winter Soldier was a bit better.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#27863: Feb 27th 2015 at 11:23:14 AM

Her hair in Winter Soldier looked fake as hell. I kept watching that movie and wondering "When does the rug come off!?"

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27865: Feb 27th 2015 at 11:46:05 AM

Which is odd because despite Marvel's massive synergy boner they still have her with long hair in all the cartoons and comics despite her having shorter hair in every movie but Iron Man 2.

And interestingly Iron Man 2 was where I thought her hair looked most obviously fake. The curls made it look like the top of a Raggedy Anne doll.

edited 27th Feb '15 11:46:38 AM by comicwriter

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#27866: Feb 27th 2015 at 11:51:52 AM

Black Widow's hair has always been a bit problematic in the MCU. Either the shade or the way it falls is just off.

Which is weird cause if they just dyed Scarlett Johansson's hair a normal shade of red it would probably work fine.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#27867: Feb 27th 2015 at 11:54:54 AM

@Lord of Lore, still can't see the links.

edited 27th Feb '15 11:56:00 AM by MousaThe14

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27868: Feb 27th 2015 at 12:45:06 PM

Then I don't think think there's anything they can do about it. You can't just upload images here.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#27869: Feb 27th 2015 at 1:22:01 PM

I'm generally not a fan of time travel. Personally, I'm hoping the Time Stone just has wacky effects like slowing down/speeding up time, precognition, ect., rather than actually allowing someone to go to the past or future.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27870: Feb 27th 2015 at 1:41:48 PM

I think the short hair looks the best on Scarlett, but I really don't care as long as they don't do the awful hair she had in Iron Man 2. That looked fake and impractical.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#27871: Feb 27th 2015 at 1:44:57 PM

It's almost never used for full on time travel in the comics. At most it's used to rewind time back a day(like at the end of Infinity Gauntlet)rather than transport Thanos/Adam Warlock/whoever back in time. Its full range of powers are:

The time gem allows the user total control over the past, present and future. Its most basic ability grants its user visions of possible futures. It allows time travel, control over the age of beings and also be used as a weapon by trapping enemies or entire worlds in unending loops of time. At its peak, when used with the other gems, it allows its user to exist at all points in time simultaneously.

Time Gem: Total control over all aspects of time including time travel, stopping time, slowing down or speed up flow of time and to accelerate or slow down aging.

Thanos refuses to use it and most of the others(I think he only uses Power, Reality and Space at first)for most of the original storyline since he kind of wants to give the heroes a tiny chance of winning(this is almost always Thanos biggest mistake because unlike the villain he is inspired by(classic Darkseid)he has too much pride and 9 times out of 10 will give the heroes a shot at really fighting him rather than just killing them all directly)but after Warlock and Silver Surfer almost takes the Gauntlet he starts using it and wins almost directly since he knows exactly what they are going to do.

edited 27th Feb '15 1:57:58 PM by LordofLore

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#27872: Feb 27th 2015 at 1:49:53 PM

@Speed and Wicken; considering that the MCU works in real time; it's actually possible that you could have the children, just, grow up.

That would mean that they could only show up, at earliest, in 2030. I guess that, if MCU is still a thing by then, they will certainly need fresh new heroes to substitute for the old ones

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#27873: Feb 27th 2015 at 1:56:42 PM

Aren't Speed and Wiccan not biologically Wanda's kids, but actually the reincarnation of the souls of Wanda's actual kids, which were never actually born?? Or something like that.

edited 27th Feb '15 1:58:20 PM by higherbrainpattern

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#27874: Feb 27th 2015 at 2:06:29 PM

Wanda (and Vision) wanted kids and this was when Wanda was at her strongest so she just reality-warped two into existence. They were destroyed (I think Mephisto was involved), leading to her assorted problems, but their spirits were later reincarnated, keeping their powers and twin-ness.

So biologically they're some other people's kids. Wiccan seems to care about the situation a great deal more than Speed does though.

edited 27th Feb '15 2:07:29 PM by TenebrousGaze


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