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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#27826: Feb 26th 2015 at 11:25:59 PM

SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN! SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN! SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN! SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN! SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN! :P

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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jdj42 Since: Oct, 2012
#27829: Feb 27th 2015 at 1:31:16 AM

Obviously, it should be Spider-Gwen. Edit: [nja]

edited 27th Feb '15 1:32:25 AM by jdj42

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#27830: Feb 27th 2015 at 1:31:25 AM

They could always do the clone saga to bring in Peter Parker, Ben Riley, Superior Spider-Man, Spider-Gwen, and Miles Morales.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#27831: Feb 27th 2015 at 2:19:45 AM

So they're going to be doing Spider-Verse already?

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#27833: Feb 27th 2015 at 4:23:34 AM

The idea behind Peter Parker was that he represented the average reader, who, up until that point hadn't seen a major character which resembled them in this medium yet. Peter Parker is too engrained in the status quo to continue to fulfil his original mandate; he's no longer a comic book fan looking into the Marvel Universe, he is the biggest part of it. The current Peter Parker in the 616 universe is Kamala Khan.

wild mass guessKamala Khan should be spider-manwild mass guess Or Ms. Marvel, that also works.

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#27834: Feb 27th 2015 at 5:20:22 AM

I would take a Kamala Khan movie.

The way I see it, superheroes already have fans in the Cinematic Universe; Saving NY from an alien invasion tends to do that.

Hell, if they're going to introduce a bunch of heroes for civil war have her be one of them. She is exactly what would happen if a fangirl got superpowers.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#27835: Feb 27th 2015 at 5:50:06 AM

They become slightly unhinged and start stalking their idols before jumping off the deep end and killing their idols loved ones due to their unhealthy mind believing that only they deserve to be with them?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27836: Feb 27th 2015 at 7:07:50 AM

I think that's an unfair brush to paint fangirls with. Hell fanboys get involved with just as much stupid shit.

[up][up]I would rather they hold off on her for now. Her origin loses something if we don't yet have Captain Marvel or the Inhumans established.

edited 27th Feb '15 7:08:35 AM by comicwriter

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#27837: Feb 27th 2015 at 7:16:27 AM

Yeah, Kamala falls under the category of characters who need reasonable set-up. She's good and currently popular so I wouldn't be surprised if they bring her in once everything is ready for it but I wouldn't want her in without Cap M being established first. I kind of want some of the YA to show up but they're even more entrenched in other people's backstories (although I think we are getting regular power-less child Cassie).

edited 27th Feb '15 7:17:16 AM by TenebrousGaze

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#27838: Feb 27th 2015 at 7:19:04 AM

So, if I've been paying attention to this conversation correctly, the reigning vote is Kamala Khan for Spider-Man.

I support this.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27839: Feb 27th 2015 at 7:20:34 AM

[up][up]I think with Cassie we'll start seeing more setup for the YA.

The only really huge stumbling block would be Speed and Wiccan unless you completely change their backstories.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#27840: Feb 27th 2015 at 7:55:57 AM

Also need Kate Bishop to show up in the MCU to have the Young Avengers.

Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#27841: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:05:17 AM

[up][up]There also the issue of Iron Lad, as Kang haven't be introduced in the movies. An idea would be to combine the three characters by omitting Iron Lad and making Wiccan and Speed the Scarlet Witch children from the future. That makes their origins somewhat less hard to follow.

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#27842: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:07:30 AM

Do we really want to start dropping Rachel Grey's into the MCU?

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MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#27843: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:12:46 AM

I'd really like to make my MCU as uncomplicated as we can and time travel is not going to help that. And it's not just because I hate time travel. Even though I really really really hate time travel.

It's also because can we really afford to alienate the general audience even ore with complications such as kids from the future? The MCU has been doing a great job easing people into the weirdness comic book superheroes have to deal with, but I'm not sure we've reached "Paradoxes" yet.

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Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#27844: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:18:23 AM

[up]Fair enough. I just like time travel stories.

[up][up]Well, it is not like Wiccan and Speed origins is any better. It is, in fact, more confusing. I still not sure how the hell they are that old. At last time travel is something you can follow, instead of a vague "magic" explanation.

I think it is just more likely we never get the YA in the movies in the first place.

edited 27th Feb '15 8:18:48 AM by Heatth

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#27845: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:19:21 AM

So just make em somebody else's kids.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27846: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:23:56 AM

Time travel is always problematic, even if it is pulled off well. There is a reason why JK Rowling felt the need to destroy all the time turners after Po A...otherwise it always begs the question why the heroes don't do it all the time. So if the MCU ever decides to use it (they might, after all, one of the infinity gems is the time stone), they'll hopefully smart enough to do it in a way that it is clear from the get go that this is a one-time occurrence and that there is a reason why the heroes travel to a certain point in time and not earlier. After all, consider how much problems could be avoided just by ensuring that Steve is found early on.

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#27847: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:26:59 AM

Well it doesn't have to be a "this can never happen again gais" so much as a "Hey wheres the time stone?" "Thor threw it into a black hole." "Why?" "Because he doesn't trust you with Time Travel Tony."

And if they ever want to use it again it just pops out of a wormhole into some supervillains lap because black holes are cray cray like that.

Good way to introduce Kang actually.

edited 27th Feb '15 8:28:24 AM by Canid117

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27848: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:29:09 AM

I think a Stable Time Loop solves most of the problems with time travel stories but they limit the plots you can have.

edited 27th Feb '15 8:29:35 AM by Kostya

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#27849: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:29:34 AM

Isn't Kang one of the more iconic Avengers villains, though? Won't the movies want to use him at some point?

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Heatth (X-Troper) Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
#27850: Feb 27th 2015 at 8:35:47 AM

So just make em somebody else's kids.

That change so much about them that makes you wonder why use them in the first place. Although I guess it is possible to just ditch Speed and keep Wiccan, focusing on his relationship with Hulkling and, possible, him being the demiurge(but that is a alternate universe story, which is just as confusing as time travel).


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