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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27801: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:00:27 PM

That feels less David Caruso and more Damn, It Feels Good to Be a Gangster! to me for some reason.

edited 26th Feb '15 1:00:38 PM by Mukora

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27802: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:05:52 PM

The only thing that bothers me about the whole "still being rebuilt" bit is that the Chitauri invasion was a pretty long time ago in-universe for it to still be under construction in New York City. Especially downtown New York City, which is given such an intense priority for reconstruction and relief efforts that even something like an isolated alien invasion would be taken care of and the rubble cordoned off to a small memorial area within a year.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if the events of the series weren't actually current with the rest of the MCU. Honestly, Marvel should've made a show like this years ago.

edited 26th Feb '15 1:06:44 PM by KnownUnknown

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27803: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:07:13 PM

Do we now this is taking place presently within the MCU? It could be set only a little while after the Chitauri invasion.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27804: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:09:43 PM

[up][up]I guess it depends on how bad the extent of the damage was, which is something we haven't really seen.

Cracked actually pointed out that in a bit of Fridge Horror, there might have to be major reconstruction since it's a very real possibility people could get cancer from the smashed, exposed buildings everywhere.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#27805: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:17:04 PM

At least it's not as bad as Gotham becoming Cancer City after Dark Knight Rises.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27806: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:17:39 PM

Either way, I'm glad the MCU is finally doing something about the fallout from the invasion. Rubble lying everywhere, alien artifacts all over the place, at least three giant alien monster corpses sprawled over buildings. Plus, you know, it was an alien invasion. There should've been a lot of effect, but Marvel avoided dealing with it in a general sense.

The implication in Item 47 that SHIELD confiscated everything but one item just wasn't enough (especially since if Winter Soldier is any indication they never actually got around to reverse engineering any of it), and Agents Of SHIELD only brought it up once in a fairly minor way (when a Chitauri helmet ended up in the possession of a bunch of firemen).

For a long time I've thought an awesome way to do Kingpin (or Count Nefaria, if he ever shows up) would be to have him corner a black market arms race for super-tech derived from Chitauri technology, Stark Tech knockoffs and/or turn small time supervillains into enforcers. Though "Supervillain Mafia" is more Nefaria's thing, it'd work well for Kingpin, especially in seeing the effect that sort of thing has on everyday life on the street from character like Daredevil and Luke Cage.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27807: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:18:26 PM

It's not like all the MCU entries are set exactly in the year they are shown. They are often at least half a year or more "off". I don't see a problem with setting the shows after the Chitauri inversion. Would have also the advantage that they can cover more ground instead of being forced to stilt the timeline in order to not be ahead of any of the MCU movies.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27808: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:19:53 PM

[up][up]Technically the confiscated everything but the item and the helmet which later turned up in Ao S and killed people with the alien virus.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27809: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:20:42 PM

Isn't that what I said? <shrug>

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#27810: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:30:07 PM

The only thing that bothers me about the whole "still being rebuilt" bit is that the Chitauri invasion was a pretty long time ago in-universe for it to still be under construction in New York City. Especially downtown New York City, which is given such an intense priority for reconstruction and relief efforts that even something like an isolated alien invasion would be taken care of and the rubble cordoned off to a small memorial area within a year.

Let me know when the 9/11 reconstruction efforts are completed. Last I heard, estimates placed it around 2020.

edited 26th Feb '15 1:30:35 PM by TobiasDrake

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27811: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:30:22 PM

[up][up] Well, you said they only overlooked the Item, but they also overlooked the Helmet (which you didn't specifically mention), meaning that there might be more objects floating around after all.

edited 26th Feb '15 1:30:30 PM by Swanpride

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27812: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:39:06 PM

[up][up] Most of that is centered around the actual WTC site, in large part because they have big plans for it, rather than the area as a whole. Likewise, the WTC recovery is being used as a reason to renovate the neighborhood, not repair it.

edited 26th Feb '15 1:43:20 PM by KnownUnknown

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#27813: Feb 26th 2015 at 1:58:18 PM

Actually, the idea that Hell's Kitchen was beaten badly by the Chitari is a good reason for it to be in-universe the kind of hellscape it hasn't been in real life for years.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27814: Feb 26th 2015 at 2:10:49 PM

[up]In fact I remember one of the jokes about the Black Panther: Man Without Fear series being that they described it as Hell's Kitchen desperately needing to be defended, and someone replying with "From what? The gentrifiers and vegan yogurt shops?"

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#27815: Feb 26th 2015 at 2:15:51 PM

[up] I mean, that's true, too. Fucking gentrification.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27817: Feb 26th 2015 at 2:40:39 PM

What is Hell's Kitchen? I thought it was a Gordon Ramsey show.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27818: Feb 26th 2015 at 2:45:56 PM

Hell's Kitchen.

edited 26th Feb '15 2:46:11 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27819: Feb 26th 2015 at 4:07:03 PM

Either way, I'm glad the MCU is finally doing something about the fallout from the invasion. Rubble lying everywhere, alien artifacts all over the place, at least three giant alien monster corpses sprawled over buildings. Plus, you know, it was an alien invasion. There should've been a lot of effect, but Marvel avoided dealing with it in a general sense. The implication in Item 47 that SHIELD confiscated everything but one item just wasn't enough (especially since if Winter Soldier is any indication they never actually got around to reverse engineering any of it), and Agents Of SHIELD only brought it up once in a fairly minor way (when a Chitauri helmet ended up in the possession of a bunch of firemen). For a long time I've thought an awesome way to do Kingpin (or Count Nefaria, if he ever shows up) would be to have him corner a black market arms race for super-tech derived from Chitauri technology, Stark Tech knockoffs and/or turn small time supervillains into enforcers. Though "Supervillain Mafia" is more Nefaria's thing, it'd work well for Kingpin, especially in seeing the effect that sort of thing has on everyday life on the street from character like Daredevil and Luke Cage.

Well the Age of Ultron prequel I linked to deals with HYDRA getting its hands on a bunch of old Chitauri guns and tech so that at least sounds similar to what you're suggesting.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27820: Feb 26th 2015 at 7:40:50 PM

And here's some word on the costume:

In the end, somebody else [in the story] makes his Daredevil costume. What's really exciting is the evolution of it, and how he comes to have it made.

Without giving too much away, this show is Matt learning to be a hero. He starts in that first iteration of the Daredevil outfit which is taken very much from Frank Miller and The Man Without Fear. But I always questioned [the main costume]. I mean, one, he's blind. Did he stitch it together himself? How did he manage all that? So, actually getting him to that point I thought was really interesting.

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#27822: Feb 26th 2015 at 10:36:13 PM

Ouch. Peter has 70 percent of the vote.

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#27823: Feb 26th 2015 at 10:59:54 PM

Alternatively, Miles, new guy without decades of following, has 30% of the vote.

[down]100% of tropers named Edvedd surveyed make that post.

edited 26th Feb '15 11:23:05 PM by wanderlustwarrior

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#27824: Feb 26th 2015 at 11:19:15 PM

Alternatively alternatively, informal polls on the internet are a waste of time.

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