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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#27677: Feb 24th 2015 at 12:27:00 PM

I imagine that the reason Vision is being "stiffed" is because his defection to the Avengers is supposed to be something of a twist to those who are unfamiliar with the comics.

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#27678: Feb 24th 2015 at 12:32:54 PM

It's not a matter of comic characters always being in/out of costume. It's a matter of Iron Man, and Iron Man specifically, not having his helmet on, despite the sheer impossibility/impracticality of such a thing occurring. It means the entire piece is removed cleanly, no HUD, no protection, in what is almost always the middle of some battle scene used for posters, because you've got to see his face in posters styled the exact same for every movie.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#27679: Feb 24th 2015 at 12:36:51 PM

Iron Man 2's poster had him with his helmet on. Nobody remembers that poster. Probably a good reason why.

Come on, it's a poster. It's not as if he ran around the whole climax battle of The Avengers with no helmet on.

edited 24th Feb '15 12:38:11 PM by Tuckerscreator

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#27680: Feb 24th 2015 at 12:37:48 PM

You know what's also implausible? That the ground would be sloped just so and yet still capable of being stood on, and that literally every single Avenger would be looking away from the hoard of Ultrons heading towards them.

It's a movie poster, not a screenshot.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27681: Feb 24th 2015 at 12:39:07 PM

I imagine that the reason Vision is being "stiffed" is because his defection to the Avengers is supposed to be something of a twist to those who are unfamiliar with the comics.
Which is funny because despite Marvel doing everything possible to downplay Vision in the posters and trailers, he's featured very prominently in a lot of the merchandise and promo material.

MUCH more prominently than the Maximoffs, in fact. [1][2][3][4][5]

edited 24th Feb '15 12:39:42 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27682: Feb 24th 2015 at 12:46:28 PM

To be honest, it is kind of silly how they try to squeeze everyone on the poster. They should have either simply put Ultron on it, or done something more symbolic.

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#27683: Feb 24th 2015 at 1:04:37 PM

I totally thought Vision was Magneto for a second [lol]

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#27684: Feb 24th 2015 at 1:20:09 PM

[up] Don't make the Summers Family Tree any weirder or more convoluted than it has to be. [lol]

edited 24th Feb '15 1:21:26 PM by TrashJack

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#27685: Feb 24th 2015 at 1:20:14 PM

I like how Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch are important enough to merit appearing on the poster but not important enough to have their actors' names credited.

Say what you will about Widow and Fury getting stuffed in the back, but at least Johannsen's and Jackson's names are prominently displayed. Wanda and Pietro might as well be an afterthought.

"Shit, Bob, we forgot two characters. In fact, we KEEP forgetting two characters." "Oh, the twins, right. Just throw them in the back there. Make it look like they're being propelled by explosive diarrhea. People won't notice."

edited 24th Feb '15 1:21:38 PM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27686: Feb 24th 2015 at 2:00:46 PM

I think it might be contractual stuff. I noted earlier not only do they not get top billing, but they're billed below people not even on the team or poster like Don Cheadle. They might have just gotten a bum deal in negotiations.

I'm certain at the very least they're not being paid as much as the six returning Avengers and Samuel L. Jackson.

edited 24th Feb '15 2:02:22 PM by comicwriter

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27687: Feb 24th 2015 at 3:21:04 PM

Interestingly someone noted Don Cheadle has higher billing as War Machine than Taylor-Johnson and Olsen do as Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

How you are credited in a movie has to do with contract negotiations, not your importance to the movie. Don Cheadle is a bona fide movie star while Taylor-Johnson and Olsen are not, and he has had a prominent role in two movies in this series before, while this is their first. He has a lot more pull in contract meetings than they do.

This is also why Robert Downey Jr. gets to be credited before the title.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27688: Feb 24th 2015 at 3:42:52 PM

It's not a matter of comic characters always being in/out of costume. It's a matter of Iron Man, and Iron Man specifically, not having his helmet on, despite the sheer impossibility/impracticality of such a thing occurring. It means the entire piece is removed cleanly, no HUD, no protection, in what is almost always the middle of some battle scene used for posters, because you've got to see his face in posters styled the exact same for every movie.

Dude, it's a poster

EDIT: I'm cracking up, Anthony Mackie is so excited.

edited 24th Feb '15 3:55:16 PM by comicwriter

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#27689: Feb 24th 2015 at 3:56:27 PM

[up][up]Indeed. True. I point once again to the sixth Harry Potter film, with Timothy Spall getting his name during the credits onscreen all by itself, while Bonnie Wright had her name in a list of several others. Even though Wright played Harry's love interest while Spall had only six seconds of screen time.

edited 24th Feb '15 3:56:38 PM by Tuckerscreator

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#27690: Feb 24th 2015 at 4:03:44 PM

[up] Who did he play again?

Oh God! Natural light!
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#27692: Feb 24th 2015 at 4:05:34 PM

Oh. I haven't seen HBP, but going by the book...one scene. That's it. In the second chapter, no less.

Oh God! Natural light!
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#27693: Feb 24th 2015 at 7:04:08 PM

I feel really sorry for the twins in this poster. I mean, yeah, Vision is barely visible, but at last he is all ominous and shit, being posed against the light and above everyone else. Wanda and Pietro as just kinda there in the corner.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27695: Feb 24th 2015 at 7:34:46 PM

Huh. I just noticed there's no mention of Andy Serkis or Claudia Kim.

edited 24th Feb '15 7:35:13 PM by comicwriter

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#27697: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:30:19 PM

[up][up]Hey, they have a lot of characters. tongue

But really, credits on movie posters are a weird thing.

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#27698: Feb 25th 2015 at 5:40:34 AM

NO NO NO NO NO!!! Sony, WTF are you doing? Why did you hire Tom Rothman? The guy has gone on record as hating superhero films, is responsible for Fox's bad blood with Marvel, interfered with the production of X-Men: The Last Stand and X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and he killed Deadpool until that pitch trailer got leaked! And not only did you hire him, you freaking put him in Amy Pascal's old position?! Right as you're trying to get the Marvel co-produced Spider-Man reboot done?! WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!

edited 25th Feb '15 6:13:04 AM by TrashJack

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GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#27699: Feb 25th 2015 at 5:49:00 AM

Why are you complaining? Him hating the genre would mean he'd be more than willing to sell the properties or make it so that they're not marketable that they'd have to sell. Aren't you one of the "MCU must have all Marvel comic properties back" crowd?

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#27700: Feb 25th 2015 at 6:14:26 AM

[up] Yes, it might result in Marvel wanting the rights back lock, stock and barrel, but he's also been responsible for refusing Marvel's deal for the rights to the Silver Surfer and Galactus in exchange for options on the Daredevil rights back when The Avengers was still in its early stages. He could instead refuse Marvel's attempts to buy the rights back in full, while also interfering in the development of the MCU Spidey films in much the same way as in Origins: Wolverine and Hitman (such as reshooting scenes without the director's knowledge, or outright replacing cast and crew at a whim), which would reduce audience confidence (and therefore box office returns) in the MCU as a whole (and superhero films in general).

I suppose we can hope that he's learned not to micromanage movies he doesn't like and that he's learned not to antagonize Marvel, but I doubt it.

Also, as Fox seems to be doing much better with X-Men lately (starting with First Class and continuing with Days of Future Past), and it would be kind of hard to fit them into the MCU at this point, that property can stay with Fox. I was also willing to let The Amazing Spider-Man franchise play out before the deal with Marvel came to light, despite the films' flaws. So I don't think that all Marvel properties should go back to them. But I would like to see the Fantastic Four come home, if only because I didn't like the previous films, I have zero confidence in the new one, and I think Marvel Studios could do it better.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary

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