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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
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#27627: Feb 24th 2015 at 12:32:48 AM

That's a really great speech. And a guy down in the comments points out Gilroy's one to talk, as he wrote a draft for Superman that Warner Bros rejected, so him complaining about superheroes as junk comes off as hypocritical.

edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#27628: Feb 24th 2015 at 12:44:18 AM

Most of the stuff at the Oscars is scripted, so who knows if the people saying the words really mean it. Maybe we just need to take it as a sign of success that people are making fun of something that's popular. tongue

And hey, in a weird roundabout way, a comic book movie DID win at the Oscars.

edited 24th Feb '15 12:45:36 AM by edvedd

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edvedd Darling. from At the boutique, dear. Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
Darling.
#27629: Feb 24th 2015 at 12:52:59 AM

And hey, if the Warcraft and Assassin's Creed movies are any good at all, next up: Video game movies!

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#27630: Feb 24th 2015 at 2:23:49 AM

Apologizing for repeating this, but how are Iron Man Rise Of Technovore and Avengers Confidential Black Widow And Punisher not canon to the MCU?

edited 24th Feb '15 2:24:54 AM by HallowHawk

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#27631: Feb 24th 2015 at 2:50:32 AM

[up] Because despite being made to help promote Iron Man 3 and Captain America: The Winter Soldier, they're actually set in the Marvel Anime continuity (designated Earth-101001 in the Marvel multiverse).

edited 24th Feb '15 2:52:27 AM by TrashJack

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#27632: Feb 24th 2015 at 3:02:39 AM

[up] Then what about the former's call backs to the first two Iron Man movies and Avengers 1?

edited 24th Feb '15 3:03:06 AM by HallowHawk

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#27633: Feb 24th 2015 at 3:05:47 AM

[up] If I had to guess, I'd say that (in-universe) the events of those two films (or something similar) occurred in the Anime universe as well.

Out-of-universe, they were probably included in order to avoid confusion among viewers who saw the movies, but not the TV anime.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
Rvdz Don't mock the shocker from in a bar, under the sea Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Don't mock the shocker
#27635: Feb 24th 2015 at 9:14:59 AM

And Idris Elba, Anthony Mackie and Haley Atwell are all credited. grin

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27636: Feb 24th 2015 at 9:16:24 AM

[up][up][up]And making a continuity inspired by the movies to a degree but not necessarily set in it is nothing new. For instance Avengers Assemble is very clearly inspired by the movies (to an unhealthy degree) but still has enough obvious differences (namely Falcon acts absolutely nothing like his movie counterpart and Odin is not dead) that it cannot possibly be part of the same canon.

Rise of Technovore is more ambiguous but Avengers Confidential has a slightly different Avengers roster than the one seen in the movies.

edited 24th Feb '15 9:17:16 AM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27637: Feb 24th 2015 at 9:23:18 AM

I didn't know that Falcon will in this, too. Most likely only a small role, but I really like his character.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27638: Feb 24th 2015 at 9:23:31 AM

Excited by the Falcon!

edited 24th Feb '15 9:32:43 AM by comicwriter

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27639: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:00:47 AM

Not having him in it would be really weird giving Winter Soldier's ending. I wish he was there during the scene with Mjolnir.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27640: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:09:23 AM

"No worries Steve, I'll do all the important stuff like looking for Bucky while you and your other friends get drunk and try to lift Thor's hammer..."

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Funny but not helpful
#27641: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:10:57 AM

In fairness to Steve, driving around aimlessly looking for Bucky won't help.

Poking Tony until he does some nonsense satellite camera thing might.

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27642: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:14:51 AM

That's true but Falcon is supposed to be his partner while he does that. This is why I found it weird when it seemed like he wouldn't be in the movie.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#27643: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:16:30 AM

Even Stellan Skaarsgard is credited again! The return of Selvig!

Natalie Portman and Gwyneth Paltrow don't have credits there, though.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#27644: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:23:12 AM

And, once again, Johansson and Fury are buried deep in the background.

Which is weird, because besides Iron Man 3 and Guardians (which doesn't have its characters on this poster for obvious reasons), Cap 2 was the biggest hit this Phase, so you'd think you might wanna promote characters from that over Thor and the Hulk.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#27645: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:25:57 AM

Fury's deep in the background. Widow is not. She's not prominently displayed, but that's not "buried deep." Usually buried on a poster means the person or object is hidden and hard to find or see well, and Widow really easy to see.

edited 24th Feb '15 10:32:46 AM by stingerbrg

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#27646: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:39:34 AM

[up][up]Hulk and Thor are actual Avengers, while Fury is not (and he is still more visible than the Twins). Widow is not that small in comparison to these two. Thor is still one of the main 3, so Marvel still probably want him to be visible. And it is hard to push Hulk aside without making him look silly (his entire character is about being big and imposing). Widow is still more visible than Hawkeye, the Twins and Vision.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27647: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:44:42 AM

At least no one's doing a boobs and butt pose. Which makes it instantly better than the original movie's poster.

Also, Fury just looks... bored. Like Samuel L. Jackson really didn't want to be there.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#27648: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:44:45 AM

Wait, a minute. Danny Elfman's name is on the poster as well. Is he composing the music for the movie?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#27649: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:49:09 AM

Look at the twins struggling for relevance.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27650: Feb 24th 2015 at 10:53:02 AM

Better than Vision I suppose.

In fairness to Steve, driving around aimlessly looking for Bucky won't help.

Oh no I was just joking. Obviously stopping HYDRA is extremely important in its own right.

edited 24th Feb '15 10:53:48 AM by comicwriter


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