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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#27551: Feb 21st 2015 at 9:41:19 AM

Is Batman paranoid, obsessed, or flawed in this run?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#27552: Feb 21st 2015 at 9:46:00 AM

Yeah, I don't remember hating any version of the Joker more than I did Snyders.

edited 21st Feb '15 9:47:47 AM by VeryMelon

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27553: Feb 21st 2015 at 9:49:08 AM

Speaking of the actual comics, do we know anything more about Marvel's post-Secret Wars output? Might be some clues about future movies to be picked up there, since they'll probably focus on stuff they want to develop more.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#27554: Feb 21st 2015 at 9:49:16 AM

[up][up][up]He's all of those things, but Snyder till finds the time to make him cooler than all the Justice League combined.

edited 21st Feb '15 9:49:28 AM by SonOfSharknado

My various fanfics.
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#27555: Feb 21st 2015 at 9:56:29 AM

[up] So I take it you're not a fan of Snyder's run?

Anyway, I've heard good things about the Court of Owls. I actually thought it sounded interesting since I first heard about it, but considering...other stuff I've heard about the New 52 (along with my opposition to such a large-scale reboot in general), I was reluctant to read it. Now I might give it a try.

Oh God! Natural light!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27557: Feb 21st 2015 at 10:45:29 AM

Speaking of the actual comics, do we know anything more about Marvel's post-Secret Wars output? Might be some clues about future movies to be picked up there, since they'll probably focus on stuff they want to develop more.

We're getting an Avengers relaunch under a new creative team called All-New, All-Different Avengers. The woman writing Ms. Marvel has confirmed the book is continuing after Secret Wars so I imagine that's gonna hold true for a lot of the more recent titles like Squirrel Girl and Silk.

The editors also confirmed a Doctor Strange book and strongly alluded to a Black Panther one so yeah it seems like those two have benefited from the movies.

Here's the synopsis for the second Lady Sif episode of Agents of SHIELD.

"Who You Really Are" - Coulson and team come to the aid of a confused Lady Sif, who has lost her memory after fighting with a mysterious warrior whose true mission will send shockwaves through S.H.I.E.L.D. Meanwhile, Bobbi and Mac K continue to hide their true mission from everyone close to them, on "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.," Tuesday, March 10 (9:00-10:00 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27558: Feb 21st 2015 at 10:48:53 AM

The fact that she lost her memory makes me think of the Enchantress. Maybe there are hints at what Thor: Ragnarok will be about.

edited 21st Feb '15 10:49:02 AM by Kostya

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#27559: Feb 21st 2015 at 10:50:48 AM

[up][up]Also A-Force will apparently start with their first arc in Secret Wars before starting their second arc in the new universe IIRC.

edited 21st Feb '15 10:51:17 AM by LordofLore

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27560: Feb 21st 2015 at 2:44:04 PM

Grain of salt obviously but someone on one of the spoilers claims to have some info on Civil War.

Was fortunate enough to get a very early look at Cap 3 CW. To those sitting on the fence on Ao U Cap to see what CW Cap looks like, you may as well get off the fence. From the brief shot of the concept art I saw, his costume isn't going to be changing much if at all. There could be some differences but very minor, the overall look is still is very similar to Ao U. That's not to say they won't go a different route, things could change during production, so take it for what it's worth.
Yeah, between Ao U and CW figures, start taking out a 2nd mortgage The number of heroes they're having in the threequel is mindblowing, think of this as Avengers 2.5. This is still very much a Cap vs IM movie, but let's just say don't be surprised to see familiar supporting cast (sporting new looks, no less) and a couple titular heroes in the mix. No word on Spidey yet though.

edited 21st Feb '15 2:45:44 PM by comicwriter

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#27561: Feb 21st 2015 at 4:23:44 PM

@Scott Snyder's Joker. I've only read bits and pieces; but his Joker does seem to be progressing into Slasher Movie Monster territory. I'm not sure the Joker needs to be that as he works well as an ideological threat to Batman regardless of his physical or nightmare-fuel presence.

Recent revelations (IE The Joker might have origins in a century old haunting on Gothem ) only adds things to the Joker tool box I think; considering he is The Multiple Choice Past trope adding a few more choices can only give future writers more options.

NEX7 Since: Jan, 2014
#27562: Feb 21st 2015 at 11:11:23 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Dylan O'Brien would make a perfect Peter Parker/Spider-Man?

And Alexandra Daddario or Emma Watson as Mary Jane Watson?

edited 30th Apr '15 9:56:36 PM by NEX7

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27563: Feb 22nd 2015 at 12:18:16 AM

It might be fun for the MCU Spidey to pull a surprise and, like the comics themselves, have Peter have a different girlfriend in every picture.

And not even be portrayed as a player or anything like pre-Iron Man Tony was - every time, there would be a Noodle Incident about why he's no longer seeing X-previous love interest.

  • "Yeah... I was kind of indirectly responsible for her brother's death. It's complicated..."
  • "Yeah... it didn't work out. She ended up with one of my best friends, though! That... didn't work out either. For anyone. Ever."
  • "Yeah... turns out she was more in love with Spider-Man than Peter Parker. Irreconcilable differences." -> Tony: "That's why you shouldn't have a secret identity, Peter." -> Peter: "Yeah, because all of you have such stable relationships."
  • "Yeah... there was something about Mephisto, and after that it's all a blur." -> Tony: "Hey, the same thing happened to me when I had Palladium poisoning. Word to the wise, never drink and drive an armored suit, Spidey." -> Spidey: "Huh?"
  • "For the last time, she was my roommate, not my girlfriend! No, I'm not just saying that because she's black!"
  • "Yeah... that didn't work out either. I mean, you turn into a giant spider monster one time and of course it's the guy with the spider powers' fault."
  • "Yeah... it was going well, but then she figured out my secret identity, and then she had a nervous breakdown. Totally unrelated, I swear."

And so on. Honestly, there's enough stories like that to fill up any number of movies Marvel might be planning to put Spidey in.

edited 22nd Feb '15 12:29:39 AM by KnownUnknown

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27564: Feb 22nd 2015 at 2:03:45 AM

If Marvel and Sony are smart, they start out with Black Cat. Because in this case, the relationship angle isn't even necessary, and they have the option of making a spin-off, since Sony is so set and having a "female superheroine" movie, too (it's a little bit amusing, for ages those movies were considered box office and career killers, and now suddenly everyone wants to be the one who make a successful one).

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#27565: Feb 22nd 2015 at 6:11:24 AM

It's the equivalent of a gold rush. Marvel effectively has the the monopoly on the traditional genre of superhero and is pretty much unebeatable in the box office, so other people (and of course, Marvel themselves) want a new area to explore (female superhero movie, minority superhero movie, Supervillain squad hero movie, Deadpool fourth-wall breaking shenanigans movie).

In the metaphor of a gold rush, Marvel has taken over the largest goldmine of the state, so everyone else is running the fuck off to find a new area to mine before Marvel acquires every single gold mine of the state.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#27566: Feb 22nd 2015 at 7:04:14 AM

Basically, Snyder's Batman is just Poor Man Grant Morrison's Batman. I find his Batman work to be terribly overrated.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27567: Feb 22nd 2015 at 7:53:12 AM

[up][up]Yeah, I know, but it is nevertheless amusing...basically all the companies have seen the gold mine for years, but never bothered to stake a claim because they thought it was too much work. Until Marvel did it and taught them otherwise.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27568: Feb 22nd 2015 at 8:02:02 AM

[up][up][up] Deadpool doesn't quite fit there. Fox has been trying to get that one off the ground since 2009, which was before Marvel was the dominant force in the genre.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#27569: Feb 22nd 2015 at 8:15:04 AM

Yeah, but the project had been on a comatose state since 2009. I'd wager that at least 50% of the reason it moving forwards is because Deadpool's brand of wacky hijinks is uncharted territory in the current superhero boom (and since the character tends to parody superhero tropes, this is the prime hour to put him forwards).

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27570: Feb 22nd 2015 at 8:27:47 AM

I don't see it. It makes more sense to me that the reason they're doing it is because Fox wants a cinematic universe, and Deadpool is enough of his own thing that he can be separate from the X-Men movies.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27571: Feb 22nd 2015 at 8:28:41 AM

According to Ryan Reynolds the thing that finally did it was the massive online response to the leaked test footage. He's gone as far as to say this movie flat out would not be happening were it not for the fans who shared and raved about the teaser.

I'm not saying that the point about wanting to do something different wasn't a factor, but the big one does seem to be the positive response to the pitch stuff.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#27572: Feb 22nd 2015 at 9:49:53 AM

Something I found on the Daredevil show's tropes page:

However, Netflix would later reveal the show would be in-fact, TV-MA. The show, in a sense, would be the first R rated MCU project.

Er...I don't suppose anyone has a source for this tidbit?

Regardless, this came as a shock. surprised

I was ready to assume it'd be TV-14-ish, but hey, "go big or go home", I suppose.

EDIT: Also, can anyone believe The Kingpin used to be Edgar and Carl? Crazy.

edited 22nd Feb '15 9:51:44 AM by TargetmasterJoe

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27573: Feb 22nd 2015 at 10:40:17 AM

It says TV MA here. Which is weird because I know the writer originally said it's not gonna be that dark.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27574: Feb 22nd 2015 at 10:44:27 AM

It was rated a 15 in the UK for "strong, bloody violence".

Which, to me, says it will be about the same level of violence as most PG-13 superhero projects, but people will actually be allowed to bleed.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#27575: Feb 22nd 2015 at 10:51:52 AM

Keep in mind that the FFC is responsible for television ratings, and—unlike the MPAA—has no ability to use its decisions to censor works with certain ratings. So it seems likely that, while the creators don't think the show is that dark, the FCC disagreed, and rather than editing it down Netflix just accepted the grade and moved on.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

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