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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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Osborn making his intro in the greater MCU by having a stake in the proceedings of Civil War would be awesome. Like, he is introduced as a minor businessman or politician who backs the pro-government side - possibly contrasting his purely self-serving motives with Tony's well-meaning extremes - but isn't giving central focus. Then, at the end, we find in the aftermath he placed himself in a high position of power.
Cue Spidey having to deal with him in his solo movie.
edited 19th Feb '15 10:34:56 PM by KnownUnknown
May I mention that I really, really liked Mike Peterson in the pilot episode of Ao S? In fact, he was may favourite new character and I was really disappointed when I realized that he wasn't supposed to be a regular on the show...(I really missed him this season, too).
I agree, which is why I get confused every time people bring him up as the show's first villain. Like, I expected that to be his recruitment to the team the first time I watched it, much like it did with Skye, and he's as much a villain there as Skye is.
edited 20th Feb '15 12:40:53 AM by deathpigeon
He is basically the guy who tried to do what is right but got screwed over by society again and again. Honestly, I think I would have liked the beginning of Ao S more if it had been about him becoming part of the team instead of Skye.
If anyone should've been a Decoy Protagonist in this hypothetical scenario where Mike joins the cast in the first episode, it should've been Ward.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.He's not. Even Phil Urich dialed back the crazy when he moved from Green to Hob.
Where Hobby excels is the Secret Identity mystery. Who is the Hobgoblin? He's like an evil Spider-Man that sneaks away, throws on his costume, and returns to the fray whenever trouble needs to be afoot.
Ned Leeds threw readers for a loop, Phil Urich did a great job in his time of being an evil opposite of a superhero, and Roderick Kingsley has easily become one of the most competent, terrifyingly sane characters in the supervillain community by enacting his evil master plan of franchisingHEY
edited 20th Feb '15 7:19:37 AM by TobiasDrake
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If this is about Mandarin's ethnicity, I could care less. I mean, thanks to All Hail The King, we need someone to fight the Ten Rings now that we aren't getting any solo Iron Man films anymore due to contract issues with Robert Downey Jr.
edited 20th Feb '15 8:51:26 PM by HallowHawk
Someone is just going to argue that "They should let that plotline die because that's how it should be to preserve the Mandarin twist and it's unnecessary" but it is a valid subject to argue what will be done with the Mandarin, particularly since Marvel doesn't leave loose ends.
It'd be a curious change of pace to see Spider-Man squaring off against the sort of Ancient Conspiracy that the Ten Rings seem to be. Don't know if they can make it work.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."I think the Mandarin was a really good commentary on "Feindbilder" (I don't think that there is an English word for it, but it basically means the willingness to demonize other groups, in order to have something we can concentrate our hatred and frustrations on). Considering that the original Mandarin was pretty much a result of "yellow plague" thinking and that the movie maker basically modernized him by showing what our current "Feindbilder" are, I think it is really missing the point to complain about race-bending. If there is one thing I really liked about Iron Man 3, then this clever poke into the psychology of giving our fears faces - currently Arabian ones.
edited 20th Feb '15 8:44:51 AM by Swanpride
Honestly I seriously doubt there is going to be an appearance from a "true" Mandarin. The concerns that kept him out of the first movie are just as valid now (China didn't suddenly stop being a major audience pool) and Iron Man isn't getting anymore films.
As for the idea that Mandarin HAS to show up because the short alluded to it, this wouldn't be the first Left Hanging plot thread in the MCU.
The other thing is the only people who actually know there is a true Mandarin out there are the people who watched the special DVD-exclusive short film. That doesn't tend to be the place to tease epic upcoming storylines.
edited 20th Feb '15 9:03:08 AM by comicwriter
Man, Ghost Rider is kinda...well...
He's a very deeply silly character, isn't he? I mean, even by the usual standards of comic books. He's a demonic motorcycle stuntman.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
The supernatural angle? Really? Not the fact that he's a motorcycle-themed superhero with a flaming skull for a head?
Ghost Rider can be cool but I think they're worried the Nic Cage movies might be an Ink-Stain Adaptation.
Whedon: My instinct was, 'Let's just come out of the gate saying there is an Avengers.' So we can have more time to pick at them and tear them apart and hurt them and ultimately destroy them. I've been working on a lot of Ultron scenes, so I’m very anti-Avengers right now.
Whedon: They have an origin but it’s largely described. They’re already good to go by the time we’re up and running. You don’t want to fall into Spider-Man 3 territory – and I say that as a guy who actually thinks pretty well of that movie, there’s some great stuff in that movie – but there comes a point where you’re overloaded with frontstory, backstory, origin story and it becomes very hard to juggle. My instinct is always, ‘Don’t put in more, work with what you have.’
But I insisted on putting in more in this movie because I felt I needed more villains. I needed someone for Ultron to talk to, and I need more trouble for the Avengers. As powerful as Ultron is, if he builds more Ultrons, they’re Ultrons. There’s no reason for him to ever to talk to them because they’re him. ‘I need you to – I KNOW! I AM TOTALLY YOU! I DID IT EARLIER! I know that because I am also me.’ That’s not a good conversation. Actually, it sounded pretty good there. I think I’m onto something.
edited 20th Feb '15 9:19:58 AM by comicwriter

Owing to the new Spidey deal, I want a new influx of villains.
I hope the new Spidey film starts off with him already having a partially established villain cast.
I feel like we don't have enough continuing villains. We have Loki, Nebula, Crossbones and Thanos so far (and maybe the Red Skull).
I want the Thunderbolts and Norman Osborn to be a thing.
Although I want evil Iron Patriot Norman and not just the Green Goblin. Let's just give the insane schtick to Hobgoblin. Let's make Norman erratic rather than coo coo bananas.
I want my Venom (and eventually Agent Venom) and Carnage.
edited 19th Feb '15 10:25:55 PM by MadSkillz