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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#27476: Feb 19th 2015 at 10:24:37 PM

Owing to the new Spidey deal, I want a new influx of villains.

I hope the new Spidey film starts off with him already having a partially established villain cast.

I feel like we don't have enough continuing villains. We have Loki, Nebula, Crossbones and Thanos so far (and maybe the Red Skull).

I want the Thunderbolts and Norman Osborn to be a thing.

Although I want evil Iron Patriot Norman and not just the Green Goblin. Let's just give the insane schtick to Hobgoblin. Let's make Norman erratic rather than coo coo bananas.

I want my Venom (and eventually Agent Venom) and Carnage.

edited 19th Feb '15 10:25:55 PM by MadSkillz

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#27477: Feb 19th 2015 at 10:33:48 PM

Okay let's move onto a new avenue of discussion:

Do you guys think that the MCU could successfully accommodate Ghost Rider (and the whole spirit and demon thing)?

I mean I don't know much about Doctor Strange but does he do spirits and demons too?

Or does he mostly have to do with magic?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27478: Feb 19th 2015 at 10:34:40 PM

[up][up] Osborn making his intro in the greater MCU by having a stake in the proceedings of Civil War would be awesome. Like, he is introduced as a minor businessman or politician who backs the pro-government side - possibly contrasting his purely self-serving motives with Tony's well-meaning extremes - but isn't giving central focus. Then, at the end, we find in the aftermath he placed himself in a high position of power.

Cue Spidey having to deal with him in his solo movie.

edited 19th Feb '15 10:34:56 PM by KnownUnknown

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#27479: Feb 19th 2015 at 10:36:35 PM

I don't think Hobgoblin is known for being insane

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27480: Feb 19th 2015 at 11:57:45 PM

May I mention that I really, really liked Mike Peterson in the pilot episode of Ao S? In fact, he was may favourite new character and I was really disappointed when I realized that he wasn't supposed to be a regular on the show...(I really missed him this season, too).

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#27481: Feb 20th 2015 at 12:40:12 AM

[up] I agree, which is why I get confused every time people bring him up as the show's first villain. Like, I expected that to be his recruitment to the team the first time I watched it, much like it did with Skye, and he's as much a villain there as Skye is.

edited 20th Feb '15 12:40:53 AM by deathpigeon

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27482: Feb 20th 2015 at 1:13:07 AM

[up] He is basically the guy who tried to do what is right but got screwed over by society again and again. Honestly, I think I would have liked the beginning of Ao S more if it had been about him becoming part of the team instead of Skye.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#27483: Feb 20th 2015 at 1:30:31 AM

How I'd do it is have him join the team with Skye for episode 2, which would make him getting taken halfway through to be turned into Deathlok far more dramatic and stuff.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27484: Feb 20th 2015 at 1:45:41 AM

[up] I would have let Skye join the team later. In fact, I would have pulled the good old Psycho trick of pretending that Mike is the main character so that everyone is all surprised when he suddenly seemingly dies.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#27485: Feb 20th 2015 at 1:48:27 AM

[up] Ooo! That would be interesting!

What they could do is have her join when they trace back the leak to someone in Rising Tide, then they'd contact her for help and she'd finally join up with that.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#27486: Feb 20th 2015 at 5:52:04 AM

If anyone should've been a Decoy Protagonist in this hypothetical scenario where Mike joins the cast in the first episode, it should've been Ward.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#27487: Feb 20th 2015 at 5:58:44 AM

Oh man, that'd be insane, it would make people hate him ten times more after the reveal.

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#27488: Feb 20th 2015 at 7:13:44 AM

I don't think Hobgoblin is known for being insane

He's not. Even Phil Urich dialed back the crazy when he moved from Green to Hob.

Where Hobby excels is the Secret Identity mystery. Who is the Hobgoblin? He's like an evil Spider-Man that sneaks away, throws on his costume, and returns to the fray whenever trouble needs to be afoot.

Ned Leeds threw readers for a loop, Phil Urich did a great job in his time of being an evil opposite of a superhero, and Roderick Kingsley has easily become one of the most competent, terrifyingly sane characters in the supervillain community by enacting his evil master plan of franchisingHEY 

edited 20th Feb '15 7:19:37 AM by TobiasDrake

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#27489: Feb 20th 2015 at 7:48:55 AM

@ Wackd

If this is about Mandarin's ethnicity, I could care less. I mean, thanks to All Hail The King, we need someone to fight the Ten Rings now that we aren't getting any solo Iron Man films anymore due to contract issues with Robert Downey Jr.

edited 20th Feb '15 8:51:26 PM by HallowHawk

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#27490: Feb 20th 2015 at 8:02:52 AM

Someone is just going to argue that "They should let that plotline die because that's how it should be to preserve the Mandarin twist and it's unnecessary" but it is a valid subject to argue what will be done with the Mandarin, particularly since Marvel doesn't leave loose ends.

It'd be a curious change of pace to see Spider-Man squaring off against the sort of Ancient Conspiracy that the Ten Rings seem to be. Don't know if they can make it work.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27491: Feb 20th 2015 at 8:43:38 AM

I think the Mandarin was a really good commentary on "Feindbilder" (I don't think that there is an English word for it, but it basically means the willingness to demonize other groups, in order to have something we can concentrate our hatred and frustrations on). Considering that the original Mandarin was pretty much a result of "yellow plague" thinking and that the movie maker basically modernized him by showing what our current "Feindbilder" are, I think it is really missing the point to complain about race-bending. If there is one thing I really liked about Iron Man 3, then this clever poke into the psychology of giving our fears faces - currently Arabian ones.

edited 20th Feb '15 8:44:51 AM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27492: Feb 20th 2015 at 8:50:05 AM

Honestly I seriously doubt there is going to be an appearance from a "true" Mandarin. The concerns that kept him out of the first movie are just as valid now (China didn't suddenly stop being a major audience pool) and Iron Man isn't getting anymore films.

As for the idea that Mandarin HAS to show up because the short alluded to it, this wouldn't be the first Left Hanging plot thread in the MCU.

The other thing is the only people who actually know there is a true Mandarin out there are the people who watched the special DVD-exclusive short film. That doesn't tend to be the place to tease epic upcoming storylines.

edited 20th Feb '15 9:03:08 AM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27493: Feb 20th 2015 at 9:04:13 AM

Do you guys think that the MCU could successfully accommodate Ghost Rider (and the whole spirit and demon thing)?

They could but they probably aren't going to anytime soon. They have a bunch of new properties to juggle as it is.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#27494: Feb 20th 2015 at 9:11:15 AM

Man, Ghost Rider is kinda...well...

He's a very deeply silly character, isn't he? I mean, even by the usual standards of comic books. He's a demonic motorcycle stuntman.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#27495: Feb 20th 2015 at 9:12:42 AM

[up][up]And brand new properties to push back to make room for familiar and safe characters to have movies.

edited 20th Feb '15 9:13:37 AM by GethKnight

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27496: Feb 20th 2015 at 9:12:42 AM

I think the short is optional. If you want to believe it, you can. And if you prefer to think that "The Mandarin" is just used by people who want to put fear in other people, you are welcome to it, too.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27497: Feb 20th 2015 at 9:14:00 AM

I think the "problem" with Ghost rider is above all the Supernatural angle. But then, Dr. Strange has the same issues...it will be interesting to see how Marvel will deal with this.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#27498: Feb 20th 2015 at 9:16:46 AM

[up]The supernatural angle? Really? Not the fact that he's a motorcycle-themed superhero with a flaming skull for a head?

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27499: Feb 20th 2015 at 9:17:04 AM

Ghost Rider can be cool but I think they're worried the Nic Cage movies might be an Ink-Stain Adaptation.

Interview with Whedon.

Empire: So you’re starting with the Avengers already assembled?

Whedon: My instinct was, 'Let's just come out of the gate saying there is an Avengers.' So we can have more time to pick at them and tear them apart and hurt them and ultimately destroy them. I've been working on a lot of Ultron scenes, so I’m very anti-Avengers right now.

Empire: And you also have Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

Whedon: They have an origin but it’s largely described. They’re already good to go by the time we’re up and running. You don’t want to fall into Spider-Man 3 territory – and I say that as a guy who actually thinks pretty well of that movie, there’s some great stuff in that movie – but there comes a point where you’re overloaded with frontstory, backstory, origin story and it becomes very hard to juggle. My instinct is always, ‘Don’t put in more, work with what you have.’

But I insisted on putting in more in this movie because I felt I needed more villains. I needed someone for Ultron to talk to, and I need more trouble for the Avengers. As powerful as Ultron is, if he builds more Ultrons, they’re Ultrons. There’s no reason for him to ever to talk to them because they’re him. ‘I need you to – I KNOW! I AM TOTALLY YOU! I DID IT EARLIER! I know that because I am also me.’ That’s not a good conversation. Actually, it sounded pretty good there. I think I’m onto something.

edited 20th Feb '15 9:19:58 AM by comicwriter

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#27500: Feb 20th 2015 at 9:38:42 AM

Ultrons arguing amongst themselves would be hilarious.


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