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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#27451: Feb 19th 2015 at 7:08:25 PM

Other countries intelligence agencies. Weapon manufacturers. Stark Industries.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27452: Feb 19th 2015 at 7:11:24 PM

They could have them reinfiltrate Shield. If they were former agents that didn't reveal their allegiance during the coup then Coulson would probably be open to hiring them and they can start the process over again.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27453: Feb 19th 2015 at 7:20:18 PM

What we need is a HYDRA agent posing as a SHIELD agent who was replaced by a Skrull at some point, who was unaware the guy he was replacing was a HYDRA agent and not a real SHIELD agent, thus becoming an unwitting triple agent.

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#27454: Feb 19th 2015 at 7:22:31 PM

Technically, Marvel can use the Chameleon now. It's still no Mystique or a Skrull, but he might serve the same ultimate purpose, at least in a single case scale.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#27455: Feb 19th 2015 at 7:25:22 PM

Wouldn't it be an awesome twist if Maria Hill was HYDRA all along?

Given as she broke out three of the biggest threats to HYDRA, rescued the head of SHIELD that HYDRA tried to assassinate, voted to dismantle SHIELD, led the anti-Helicarrier op, and personally activated the signal for them to lock on and destroy each other, Maria Hill must be the worst HYDRA agent ever.

edited 19th Feb '15 7:27:26 PM by Tuckerscreator

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27456: Feb 19th 2015 at 7:26:30 PM

^^ So... a HYDRA agent posing as a SHIELD agent replaced by a Skrull who doesn't know he's a HYDRA agent posing as a SHIELD agent that ultimately turns out to be The Chameleon all along?

Either way, Chameleon actually works better for him because he can be used without bringing in the mutant plot or an alien plot, which gives him a lot more versatility in the plots they can use him in - the main downside is that they've already been doing something like that in Agents Of Shield, with a character I'm still convinced is Madame Masque.

edited 19th Feb '15 7:28:15 PM by KnownUnknown

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27457: Feb 19th 2015 at 7:28:25 PM

[up][up]Or it's all part of their master plan.tongue

edited 19th Feb '15 7:28:39 PM by Kostya

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#27458: Feb 19th 2015 at 7:30:48 PM

Marvel can use the symbiotes now. They could be used for Secret Invasion but with a more "zombie apocalypse" vibe.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#27459: Feb 19th 2015 at 8:19:37 PM

[up] Wouldn't that basically be The Thing From Another World?

edited 19th Feb '15 8:19:54 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#27460: Feb 19th 2015 at 8:24:10 PM

Given as she broke out three of the biggest threats to HYDRA, rescued the head of SHIELD that HYDRA tried to assassinate, voted to dismantle SHIELD, led the anti-Helicarrier op, and personally activated the signal for them to lock on and destroy each other, Maria Hill must be the worst HYDRA agent ever.

She knew that, with Pierce failing to kill Fury right away, it was only a matter of time before their whole plan failed. So she decided to maintain her cover and go for their secondary objective. Her voting to have SHIELD dismantled, freed her up to get in close to Stark Industries, as well as remove a lot of people loyal to Fury.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#27461: Feb 19th 2015 at 8:48:23 PM

[up] ...I'm just going to say it flat-out - I wouldn't want that twist, and would think it was stupid.

edited 19th Feb '15 8:51:02 PM by KarkatTheDalek

Oh God! Natural light!
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#27462: Feb 19th 2015 at 8:51:53 PM

But it killed that no-where discussion from last page. grin

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#27463: Feb 19th 2015 at 8:54:28 PM

[up] But it was one I was actually invested in. sad

Oh God! Natural light!
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#27464: Feb 19th 2015 at 8:54:42 PM

Or she could have, you know, actually killed Fury, shot Widow and Cap dead either while they were mourning Fury or when they were captured, and then there would be basically no chance left of Pierce's plan failing at all. And if not, she could have given them the wrong directions on the Helicarrier, given them fake replacement targeting chips, or alerted SHIELD/HYDRA to their location while the heroes were hiding in Fury's secret base.

Also, she was on HYDRA's targeting list. Literally. The very first person that the Helicarriers target onscreen is Maria Hill herself. To sum it all up, no, there is absolutely NO way she's a HYDRA agent unless she is somehow the most brain-dead and traitorous double agent ever.

I can't tell if you're serious or not.

edited 19th Feb '15 8:56:22 PM by Tuckerscreator

Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#27465: Feb 19th 2015 at 8:58:26 PM

I do wonder what side of the Civil War she will be on. She has mostly leaned Cap aligned in all her appearances but she now works for Stark.

"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des Ursins
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#27466: Feb 19th 2015 at 9:00:08 PM

Maybe she'll be a huge bitch like in the comics. tongue

My various fanfics.
GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#27467: Feb 19th 2015 at 9:00:19 PM

[up][up][up]I was catching the end of Avengers before Archer tonight and the idea just popped in my head.I was not serious at all.

edited 19th Feb '15 9:02:14 PM by GethKnight

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27468: Feb 19th 2015 at 9:31:02 PM

Technically, Marvel can use the Chameleon now.

We don't know that. In fact, I still think it's far more likely that they can't. Agreeing to work with Sony does not mean that they suddenly have free reign of all the Spider-Man characters.

As for Maria Hill being HYDRA...she's the only person Fury was absolutely sure he could trust. More than Nat, more than Coulson, even more than Cap. Sure, she could still feasibly be fooling him, but given that he didn't even trust Captain freaking America that much, he probably has very good reason to believe she's fully on his side.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#27469: Feb 19th 2015 at 9:34:43 PM

Coulson and Fury both trusted Garret.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27470: Feb 19th 2015 at 9:47:32 PM

I do wonder what side of the Civil War she will be on.

It just wouldn't feel like Civil War without Maria Hill as the Marvel's most prolific Obstructive Bureaucrat.

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#27471: Feb 19th 2015 at 9:48:30 PM

Now that we have Spider Man in the MCU, can we please have the real Mandarin as his arch foe?

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27472: Feb 19th 2015 at 9:48:48 PM

Fury trusted Pierce, too.

But there was exactly one person, other than the presumably third-party private medical staff, that Fury trusted with the knowledge that he was alive. Only one. That says something.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#27475: Feb 19th 2015 at 10:17:12 PM

It is an obligatory center of argument in this thread.

and so on.

You know, since the Spidey announcement, this thread has been moving too quickly for me to care to keep up.


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