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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
She's a good reference point for the past.
And well, they only had the one movie in that era, so they don't have that many.
The New York that Peggy lives in draws a lot from reality, but at the base of it it's no more real or less malleable than Asgard or Xandar. It's a world created by people who consciously decided that there would be no important black characters.
edited 19th Feb '15 8:54:33 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.It's really not. That's kind of the point of Like Reality, Unless Noted. The existence of fantastic elements is not an excuse to throw everything out the window.
There's also a point to be made that revising history to remove unsavory elements in storytelling is a contributing factor in privileged kids growing up thinking those elements genuinely aren't there. For instance, when every version of the founding of America you've heard was about how the Pilgrims were awesome and openly friendly to the Natives until the Natives started attacking them for no good reason, it's easy to draw conclusions about unrest on the Native American reservations being because "Those f*cking redskins are just pissy that they lost."
A lot of kids get their understanding of history from television and film more than actual classroom study.
edited 19th Feb '15 8:58:24 AM by TobiasDrake
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I'm not suggesting we remove the historical difficulties black people had from the show, but rather arguing that there's no good reason they can't fudge the numbers on how many black people were in New York at the time if it means Peggy can actually interact with some.
I mean, the Native American population is seriously low, but that shouldn't be an excuse for the abject lack of Native characters in media.
Obviously when you're writing a fictional reality you should try to be socially conscious about it. But it's still, y'know, a fictional reality. The staff isn't beholden to anything, especially things that might make the show less socially conscious.
What? Black people wouldn't have been allowed to work for this fictional secret government agency, and therefore Peggy would never meet them and they'd never get to kick ass?
Well, that's a shame. It's too bad being a member of a fictional government agency is the only way to get involved with crime-fighting. If only this world was chock to the brim with vigilantes, but alas.
edited 19th Feb '15 9:04:18 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.It doesn't have to be with the SSR. Just another civilian character - a friend of Peggy's, maybe?
edited 19th Feb '15 9:05:08 AM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!
So would I!
Can someone please point me to where I argued that the show should completely ignore any ills suffered by black people in the postwar era? I sure would appreciate it.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.![]()
I don't believe that New York was segregated, at least not by law.
In any case, it's already not being engaged with, period, so...
edited 19th Feb '15 9:07:49 AM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!The biggest problem I see is that there are three ways to play it.
- The black character faces none of the prejudice or issues of the times, allowing him to simply be a black supporting character for the cast, but unpleasantly whitewashing over the treatment of black members of society.
- The black character faces the prejudices of the times, but these prejudices are never addressed, thus leaving the impression that the show itself is kicking him for being a black man rather than an attempt at period accuracy.
- The black character faces the prejudice of the times and these prejudices are addressed, requiring screentime to explore the Plight of the Black Man to be taken away from Peggy's exploration of the Plight of Women.
I don't really see anything wrong with that third option. It's not like there's absolutely no fat that could be trimmed from the existing narrative to make room.
Or, better yet—make the black character a woman, so that she's got problems that overlap with Peggy's that will keep things thematically consistent.
edited 19th Feb '15 9:14:41 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Nor do I think we need to take an entire season to address it. A few scenes here and there should suffice.
Oh God! Natural light!We're not even getting an entire season here. This is a miniseries. Next episode is the finale.
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Peggy Carter is in both new Marvel films this year, so Ms. Atwell is doing very well for herself with this role.
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