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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#27251: Feb 16th 2015 at 9:21:12 AM

LOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEB and Millar

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#27252: Feb 16th 2015 at 9:21:31 AM

She became Peter's boyfriend? I had no idea Ultimate Marvel was so progressive.

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#27253: Feb 16th 2015 at 9:42:16 AM

[up]Whoops, fixed it. That'd actually be a better plot than what they ended up doing with her, though. (I mean, Peter got a gender-swapped clone, so why not Gwen?)

edited 16th Feb '15 9:43:00 AM by spashthebandragon

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#27254: Feb 16th 2015 at 9:44:20 AM

Not related to the MCU, but apparently only Matthew Vaughn seems to be able to make good movies out of comics written by Mark Millar (Kickass, Kingsman: The Secret Service).

edited 16th Feb '15 9:44:50 AM by higherbrainpattern

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#27256: Feb 16th 2015 at 10:17:12 AM

It wasn't just Gwen, though. Ultimate Spider-Man went downhill in a lot of ways after the changeover was made to become Ultimate Comics: Spider-Man.

But then we got Miles, Ultimate Jessica Drew returned, and everything was awesome again.

edited 16th Feb '15 10:17:40 AM by TobiasDrake

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#27257: Feb 16th 2015 at 10:18:13 AM

[up][up]I accidentally said "boyfriend" instead of "girlfriend" in my post. I believe he was simply pointing that out to me sarcastically.

edited 16th Feb '15 10:18:26 AM by spashthebandragon

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#27259: Feb 16th 2015 at 10:23:29 AM

[up]I know that. The Gwen who dated Peter was a clone, though, so if she was transgender, she'd still be "a gender-swapped clone."

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27261: Feb 16th 2015 at 10:55:26 AM

Comics are weird. Can we keep this kind of weirdness out of the MCU?

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#27262: Feb 16th 2015 at 11:16:31 AM

[up]I'd say at the point when Howard the Duck shows up, it's much too late for that.

edited 16th Feb '15 11:17:21 AM by spashthebandragon

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NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#27263: Feb 16th 2015 at 11:22:27 AM

But Howard's weirdness is the good kind of weird, not the 616 Clone Saga/Ultimatum kind of weird.

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#27264: Feb 16th 2015 at 11:26:03 AM

I don't see how you can put the word's "Good" and "Kick-Ass" together without "Not" in the middle.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#27265: Feb 16th 2015 at 11:33:12 AM

[up] Say again? The first Kick-Ass movie was fantastic.

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#27266: Feb 16th 2015 at 11:47:22 AM

I didn't see it. On the principle of the books being trash.

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#27267: Feb 16th 2015 at 12:02:07 PM

I liked Kick Ass. My chief complaints with the movie were two things they changed from the books - although some of the changes were pretty good, especially what they did with Big Daddy.

The two things that bugged the crap out of me were Dave successfully hooking up with Katie rather than her rightfully flipping her shit over the betrayal of trust when she found out he'd been lying to her all this time and Chris actually putting up a fight when Dave starts beating the shit out of him. In the comic, Dave utterly destroys Chris's futile attempts at fighting him, leaving him with the parting comment, "Your dad was right; you ARE a pussy."

The fact that they weakened Dave's character arguably justifies the latter; here, he's reluctant and awkward and doesn't really seem like the person who would set out to do what he's been doing, whereas in the comic, he's exactly the kind of person who would do what Dave does: an overenthusiastic kid with a penchant for violence, firmly detached from reality. That scene with the fire? In the comic, it was Chris going, "Dude, maybe we shouldn't," and Dave leaping in and shouting, "Dude, we're SUPERHEROES, this is WHAT WE DO, c'mon!"

The former, however, is completely unjustifiable and exists solely to give that plotline it's Classic Hollywood Resolution, contradicting the entire purpose of that plot point.

edited 16th Feb '15 12:08:05 PM by TobiasDrake

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#27268: Feb 16th 2015 at 12:03:45 PM

Weird that they hooked him up with love interest since they broke up five minutes into the sequel anyway.

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#27269: Feb 16th 2015 at 12:06:54 PM

The abruptness of that scene makes me think it was there simply because they realized they wrote themselves into a corner by going so far off-script with that angle and needed to correct it fast.

EDIT: God, that movie is so good right up until the fight with three guys simultaneously, where Dave gets the shit beat out of him, is clearly losing the fight, but prevails by sheer ballsiness and courage. That is the PERFECT Kick-Ass moment.

After that, the film continues to have great parts for Big Daddy, Hit-Girl, and the villains, but Dave's story goes downhill fast.

edited 16th Feb '15 12:14:36 PM by TobiasDrake

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#27271: Feb 16th 2015 at 12:47:30 PM

I’m crazy about Evans. I really am. I don’t know why or how to explain this particular kinship we have. By the way, he hasn’t called me in six months.

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But what would it take for Tony to completely turn around everything he’s stood for, quote-unquote, because he was the right-wing guy who could still do his own thing. When the first Iron Man came out the liberals and conservatives were both like, ‘You’re our guy’. Yes! Score! But the idea of Tony being able to march into Washington and say, ‘I’ll sign up’, wouldn’t have made sense if the political climate in the real world hadn’t shifted the way it has.

That's something reassuring. Something that made me rather skeptical about adapting Civil War was that almost all the Avengers have been fairly anti-government until now. Tony Stark refused to lease more than one Iron Man suit and gave Congress the metaphorical finger. Captain America outright dismantled its major intelligence agency in protest of its actions. Bruce Banner's had nothing but trouble from the military. Thor's been able to do more as a prince than as a king. Black Widow has cut off her ties with SHIELD. So what decides which of them stick by the government and which don't? It's thus reassuring to see the writers and actors are indeed aware of the issue.

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#27272: Feb 16th 2015 at 12:56:03 PM

Stark isn't nearly as anti-establishment as people make him out to be. What he is, is paranoid. He doesn't trust others to play with his toys unless he's there looking over their shoulder. Even that much, however, has been something he's relented on gradually - first by condoning War Machine end even implicitly upgrading itLISTEN , then again by working with S.H.I.E.L.D., then further in Winter Soldier with the throwaway line that the upgraded turbines for the Insight Helicarriers were based on Stark's recommendations.

His actions at his Congressional hearing weren't about, "F*ck the government and the horse they rode in on!" He was just defending his property, because he doesn't trust other people with his weapons after the betrayal in the first movie. He even pointed out himself during that scene, "I tried to play ball with these assholes!"

He's not still building guns for the military, but he's been opening up to playing ball with them more and more as the films have progressed. "You want my property, you can't have my property," Stark might not be willing to sign on with a government position, but three movies later, "So I was checking out your engines while rolling around inside of them and noticed they suck, here's some ideas how to get more efficiency out of your giant floating fortress," Stark? Absolutely.

edited 16th Feb '15 12:59:56 PM by TobiasDrake

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GoukaRyuu Since: Aug, 2012
#27273: Feb 16th 2015 at 12:56:09 PM

You know what would be an interesting and doable show for the MCU to do? Spider-Man loves Mary Jane (or Gwen Stacy or Felicia Hardy (your choice here)). It would be yet another different genre than we've seen, it would allow us to see how regular people are handling living in a superhero universe. Another fun thing would be that while the audience would know Peter Parker is Spider-Man, it is never stated and if someone watched the show with no prior knowledge would have no way of knowing. It would be a fun, interesting perspective.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27274: Feb 16th 2015 at 1:00:07 PM

The Iron Man 3 prequel makes it explicit that he made War Machine's new suit and that he was disgusted by what Hammer did to the first suit. He compared it to a child finger painting on the Mona Lisa.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27275: Feb 16th 2015 at 1:14:03 PM

Captain America outright dismantled its major intelligence agency in protest of its actions.

Missing the key point that it was the plans of the cell of the rogue Nazi science division that was hidden inside that agency that he disagreed with and not the actual government.

"So I was checking out your engines while rolling around inside of them and noticed they suck, here's some ideas how to get more efficiency out of your giant floating fortress,"

I imagine that conversation more along the lines of "I never want to have to climb inside one of those things again. Next time, use repulsors. Here, have some." tongue


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