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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27226: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:10:28 AM

Comic booky names are tricky like that in general especially when they're Meaningful Names. Marvel has lucked out because a lot of the sillier names haven't come up so far.

There was some grousing from the fans about Patsy Walker being called "Trish" in the Jessica Jones show but it's sort of the result of Patsy not being a common name anymore.

The trailers seem to be teasing Bruce Banner and Natasha.

They've been alluding to it for a while now.

edited 16th Feb '15 8:13:44 AM by comicwriter

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#27227: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:15:39 AM

[up][up] Relevant.

Edit: What the hell is wrong with Photobucket now?

edited 16th Feb '15 8:19:53 AM by NapoleonDeCheese

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#27228: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:18:29 AM

Y'know, I could see Hellcat being a "Trish".

It's still ultimately the same name. Both Patsy and Trish are derivatives of Patricia.

edited 16th Feb '15 8:19:09 AM by TobiasDrake

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#27229: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:19:39 AM

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That seems an odd complaint because Tricia and Patsy are both nicknames of Patricia- As you say, it's just that the second is no longer popular [nja]

Similarly, I heard that Scott Lang's ex is Maggie in the films rather than Peggy (since there's already Peggie Carter)- Again, Maggie and Peggy are both nicknames of Margaret- Doesn't seem too problematic a change

edited 16th Feb '15 8:19:58 AM by Hodor2

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27230: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:21:34 AM

Since when is Peggy a nickname of Margaret? How does that make any sense?

Don't think I don't believe you. I just find old-timey nicknames to make spectacular leaps in logic sometimes. Like "Jack" being a nickname for "John". Despite them both being a single syllable.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27231: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:24:21 AM

I had to google it and this is all I found.

The name Margaret has a variety of different nicknames. Some are obvious, as in Meg, Mog and Maggie, while others are downright strange, like Daisy. But it's the Mog/Meg we want to concentrate on here as those nicknames later morphed into the rhymed forms Pog(gy) and Peg(gy).

I'm still confused.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#27232: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:27:01 AM

Even more confusingly, Gretchen/Gretta/Gretel/etc is also connected to the name as a (German obviously) nickname of Margaret.

Edit- RE Daisy, from Google- "Daisy is also a nickname for Margaret, used because Marguerite, the French version of that name, is also a French name for the oxeye daisy. It came into popular use in the late Victorian era along with other flower names."

And now you know the rest of the story.

edited 16th Feb '15 8:28:15 AM by Hodor2

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#27233: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:30:51 AM

....I don't really think anybody actually ships Wanda/Pieto, since, y'know, incest is terrible.

Hahahhahahahahahaha... You sweet, naive soul. I, too, was once as unburdened as you, but then I joined the Frozen fandom. I generally try to avoid the other fanfics and not look the other fanfic writers in the eye.

Tell them that's the same parallel universe where Mr. Fantastic became Dr. Doom, the Blob ate the Wasp's warm remains, the Hulk has raped people and Sabretooth and Red Skull are Wolverine and Captain America's respective sons.

You forgot to mention how Gwen Stacy was killed by Carnage, therefore causing Carnage to absorb her DNA and generate a Gwen Stacy clone, which then un-bonded from the symbiote, and then Tony Stark assured Peter this was effectively the same as Gwen being alive again, and nobody ever questioned it or had any sort of moral dilemma ever again.

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Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#27234: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:32:20 AM

[up]In all fairness, Wanda and Pietro arguably had the most healthy and stable relationship in The Ultimates.

edited 16th Feb '15 8:32:36 AM by Lionheart0

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#27235: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:33:37 AM

[up]Oh, I don't doubt it. I quit reading around the time Bruce Banner intentionally turned himself back into the Hulk for the sole purpose of giving the Ultimates something to fight... which I believe happened within the first five issues or so.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
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#27236: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:34:48 AM

Now we just need Pietro to travel back in time with his speed and impregnate their mother and the circle of a squick will be complete.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#27237: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:35:26 AM

Detecting a reference to a (terrible) Carol Danvers story there?

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#27239: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:38:57 AM

No, in Futurama it was Fry's grandmother.

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#27240: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:39:05 AM

You forgot to mention how Gwen Stacy was killed by Carnage, therefore causing Carnage to absorb her DNA and generate a Gwen Stacy clone, which then un-bonded from the symbiote, and then Tony Stark assured Peter this was effectively the same as Gwen being alive again, and nobody ever questioned it or had any sort of moral dilemma ever again.
Just in case that turns people off, I would just like to remind the thread that everything about Ultimate Spider-man was good up until that one plot point.

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Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#27241: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:39:22 AM

I hope the MCU doesn't feel the need to level a Take That! at their ultimate version. I hope the MCU doesn't even acknowledge it.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27242: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:41:37 AM

Peggy Carter's name is acutally Magaret Carter...which I didn't know either until they made a point of it in Agent Carter by letting one Co-worker keep calling her "Maggy" even though he knows fully well that for one, her choosen name is Peggy, and two, the agents in the office are usually called by their surname, not their first name. But english short names are often weird...I mean, how did you get from "William" to "Billie" and from "Richard" to "Dick"?

I am not too hung up on the names, provided, that I understand why they changed it.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#27243: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:45:50 AM

I was always confused about that too once upon a time and I researched it and it boiled down to "the rhyming games children play eventually led to these sorts of nicknames" So we Bob from Robert, Bill for William, etc, etc.

edited 16th Feb '15 8:47:17 AM by MousaThe14

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#27244: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:49:42 AM

As an aside for those who may be wondering how Ultron was in the Ultimate verse, well he was kind of in love with Wanda and later killed her.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27245: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:50:36 AM

Tony could make a Game of Thrones joke about Quicksilver.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#27246: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:54:15 AM

To be honest, I'm surprised nobody's made any House Stark jokes in-universe in the MCU about Tony....yet. I dunno, something like Hawkeye saying something like "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell."

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#27247: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:55:48 AM

I think that moment should wait for MCU Spider-Man to crack the joke.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#27248: Feb 16th 2015 at 8:59:12 AM

[up]x8 I'd strongly suggest the moment immediately prior to Carnage-Gwen's debut as a good stopping point for anyone who wants to read the comic.

[up]x4 Wait, what's Venom doing there?

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#27249: Feb 16th 2015 at 9:07:32 AM

IIRC, Bendis has pretty much admitted that Carnage-Gwen was a desperate attempt at an Author's Saving Throw because he strongly regretted killing off Gwen. It had sort of made sense at the time because she's Gwen Stacy and thus she dies, but after the fact, he just felt like it was a terrible waste of a perfectly good character for a stupid reason.

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#27250: Feb 16th 2015 at 9:19:28 AM

[up]That'd be a great justification if Gwen had actually done anything worthwhile after being brought back to life. Instead I think she became Peter's girlfriend despite having no interest in him before and then she turned into background scenery.

edited 16th Feb '15 9:41:24 AM by spashthebandragon

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