Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules
still apply.
- This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
- While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread
. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
- Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.
If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.
Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
With The Thing you get the critique that the only minority character is buried under special effects. Guardians got hit with the same complaint about Gamora and Dax.
I do think Reed might've been the best choice, and if they were gonna do Johnny they should've done Sue as well.
In fact, F4 with an all-minority cast. Make it happen, Hollywood.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.You know, since the MCU pretty much has no secret identities, I wonder if Civil War will bring a start to those, as superheroes start actively hiding from the government (while the comics version was the opposite, another step towards the diminishing of secret identities as a narrative gimmick). And MCAU Spider-Man is the first manifestation of that, the first hero who actually chooses hiding behind a mask because he's just seen what happens when one has powers and everyone, including The Man, knows who you are.
In that sense, it'd make a lot of narrative sense to stick him in this universe at this exact point. He's like the perfect character for that sort of role.
Edit: Although I guess you could say Daredevil will get there first, but I'm not sure how much will the movies take from the Netflix shows. For all we know they'll even ignore them altogether, which is sad, because Daredevil has a much richer mythology deserving of its own movie line than freaking Ant-Man.
edited 15th Feb '15 1:11:12 PM by NapoleonDeCheese
I have no idea if it's related to rights or just not using properties that are off limits in the films but the people working on SHIELD have said that's not the case. They said anything not owned outright as part of the MCU is off-limits for the show.
I would imagine that holds true for Daredevil too.
edited 15th Feb '15 3:09:09 PM by comicwriter
For them, yeah. That wouldn't necessarily be a legal issue. It could just be a creative one. It's not unreasonable that Marvel didn't want Agents of SHIELD doing heroes that they were actively trying to get back for movies. There shouldn't be anything stopping Marvel from doing a TV show if they wanted.
But what they wanted was to do movies. And Sony's wouldn't bite, so they compromised.
edited 15th Feb '15 3:12:02 PM by BadWolf21
@How To Do Yet Another Spider-man Film Adaptation from a few pages back.
If we're going for Peter-Parker, I wouldn't waste time establishing his supporting cast (the horrible thing about reboots is suddenly you have no certainty what state the extended family is in, so it's good to restablish them as fast as possible) so I'd probably start right off the bat with something we've not seen on film before; a Spider-man in his late twenties married to MJ and with Mayday in toe. Brand new to cinema take on Spider-man, and an easy to understand immediate supporting cast. Truth is we don't see many really established super heroes in film; we don't see heroes who are on first name basis with a group of rouges they've danced with a few times before.
Heck, you can have a lot of Spidey's rogues active off the bat; Electro, Rhino, Vulture and Shocker don't need on screen back stories to work, heck you could even have Sandman and Hydroman with no introduction and rely on the fact that their super powers are so easy to understand.
Personally, I've always preferred Spider-man to be a youngster, but I don't think a film adaptation is going to be able to best TASM's take on it.
Its not my favourite idea for the third Spider-man film franchise, but it's certainly something different.
What I REALLY want from an MCU Spider-man is for him to be part of the Defenders Netflix shows, for one to keep the focus on the MCU NYC tight and in one place , two because Spider-man has such a big supporting cast he benefits from a serialised story telling medium, three because the cast of the Defenders compliment him, and lots more reasons I don't want to whine to you all about.
I maintain Spider-man is doable on a TV budget; you'd have to cut the web-swinging from buildings, but most of television is on small sets anyway. What would be impossible to adapt would be a lot of his villains. Doc-Ock, The Green Goblin, Sandman, Scorpion, Vulture and possibly Venom.
And even then, Spidey isn't at the top of the list of characters I want to see as regulars in the Defenders. That would be Shulk. Then we get into things like Cloak And Dagger, Moonknight (Who is on the wrong coast, but eh) Blade and the Punisher, all characters who work on a TV budget. I half expect at least some of them to appear and or join the ranks of the defenders in subsequent seasons.
edited 15th Feb '15 4:45:41 PM by Whowho
I still say we need a Daily Bugle Netflix show.
A young Peter is kind of unavoidable at this point since popular interpretation of the character has him as a Teenager.
I was actually having a conversation with my little sister about it since she surprisingly loves majority of the super hero movies. She preferred Garfield over Mc Guire because she felt Garfield's Peter was more like students she actually knew at her school. That happened to be something I agreed with as well. I've been out of High School for 7 years now, but even then, I always felt like Tobey Mc Guire's Peter, while true to the 60s comic, felt like caricature of a "nerd."

If I had to race lift one of them I'd probably pick the Thing but that has its own problems so I can see why they didn't do it.