TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Marvel Cinematic Universe

Go To

Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! This pinned post is here to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

  • This thread is for talking about the live-action films, TV shows, animated works, and related content that use the Marvel brand, currently owned by Disney.
  • While mild digressions are okay, discussion of the comic books should go in this thread. Extended digressions may be thumped as off-topic.
  • Spoilers for new releases should not be discussed without spoiler tagging for at least two weeks. Rather, each title should have a dedicated thread where that sort of conversation is held. We can mention new releases in a general sense, but please be courteous to people who don't want to be spoiled.

If you're posting tagged spoilers, make sure that the film or series is clearly identified outside the spoiler tagging. People need to know what will be spoiled before they choose to read the post.

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27101: Feb 15th 2015 at 12:43:07 PM

If I had to race lift one of them I'd probably pick the Thing but that has its own problems so I can see why they didn't do it.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#27102: Feb 15th 2015 at 12:43:51 PM

I'd have gone with Reed.

My various fanfics.
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#27103: Feb 15th 2015 at 12:44:32 PM

With The Thing you get the critique that the only minority character is buried under special effects. Guardians got hit with the same complaint about Gamora and Dax.

I do think Reed might've been the best choice, and if they were gonna do Johnny they should've done Sue as well.

In fact, F4 with an all-minority cast. Make it happen, Hollywood.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27104: Feb 15th 2015 at 12:50:20 PM

Guardians got hit with the same complaint about Gamora and Dax.
And Groot.

It is unfortunate that one of the least white movies in the MCU has 4/5 of the characters buried under makeup or CGI.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27105: Feb 15th 2015 at 1:00:09 PM

Even better. Everybody is black except the Thing, even Doom.tongue

edited 15th Feb '15 1:00:46 PM by Kostya

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27106: Feb 15th 2015 at 1:01:20 PM

Why switch the Thing and not Doom? :P

EDIT: Or rather, not switch.

edited 15th Feb '15 1:02:21 PM by BadWolf21

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#27107: Feb 15th 2015 at 1:09:37 PM

You know, since the MCU pretty much has no secret identities, I wonder if Civil War will bring a start to those, as superheroes start actively hiding from the government (while the comics version was the opposite, another step towards the diminishing of secret identities as a narrative gimmick). And MCAU Spider-Man is the first manifestation of that, the first hero who actually chooses hiding behind a mask because he's just seen what happens when one has powers and everyone, including The Man, knows who you are.

In that sense, it'd make a lot of narrative sense to stick him in this universe at this exact point. He's like the perfect character for that sort of role.

Edit: Although I guess you could say Daredevil will get there first, but I'm not sure how much will the movies take from the Netflix shows. For all we know they'll even ignore them altogether, which is sad, because Daredevil has a much richer mythology deserving of its own movie line than freaking Ant-Man.

edited 15th Feb '15 1:11:12 PM by NapoleonDeCheese

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27108: Feb 15th 2015 at 1:11:17 PM

I would think that the first step is Daredevil.

[nja]

edited 15th Feb '15 1:11:25 PM by BadWolf21

NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#27109: Feb 15th 2015 at 1:16:50 PM

Civil War would also be the perfect place to introduce Jameson, even before Peter Parker. He's even more of a natural for that kind of storyline. Maybe give Peter a brief pre-transformation cameo as a kid trying to sell him photos of Captain America or something.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27110: Feb 15th 2015 at 1:20:23 PM

I really want the Bugle to get referenced in the Netflix shows.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27111: Feb 15th 2015 at 2:06:19 PM

Jessica Jones and Ben Urich (from Daredevil) both worked for the Bugle but I imagine it's too late now to incorporate that.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27112: Feb 15th 2015 at 2:27:13 PM

Is it? I have no idea how far along they are in production. Though I suppose I could guess they're far enough in Daredevil at least.

edited 15th Feb '15 2:30:00 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27113: Feb 15th 2015 at 2:30:14 PM

Daredevil seems to be in post-production and Jessica Jones is already filming.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#27114: Feb 15th 2015 at 2:44:14 PM

Daredevil comes out April 10 (less than two months from today), so probably pretty far into post-production.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#27115: Feb 15th 2015 at 2:57:19 PM

Probably too late to do anything for Daredevil. Though Jessica Jones could at least have a few Daily Bugle newspapers lying around even if they don't want to do any rewrites.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27116: Feb 15th 2015 at 3:03:11 PM

Daredevil has the Kingpin, right? And the Kingpin is half of a Spider-man villain. Who knows, they might have put Spider-man hints into the show, just in case. After all, Marvel does have the TV rights for Spider-man. And didn't they original plan to add the Orcorp tower in Winter Soldier.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27117: Feb 15th 2015 at 3:06:20 PM

The Avengers. They're never in New York in Winter Soldier.

Interesting point about the TV rights. Technically, they could have just done a Spider-Man TV series.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27118: Feb 15th 2015 at 3:08:44 PM

I have no idea if it's related to rights or just not using properties that are off limits in the films but the people working on SHIELD have said that's not the case. They said anything not owned outright as part of the MCU is off-limits for the show.

I would imagine that holds true for Daredevil too.

edited 15th Feb '15 3:09:09 PM by comicwriter

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27119: Feb 15th 2015 at 3:10:51 PM

For them, yeah. That wouldn't necessarily be a legal issue. It could just be a creative one. It's not unreasonable that Marvel didn't want Agents of SHIELD doing heroes that they were actively trying to get back for movies. There shouldn't be anything stopping Marvel from doing a TV show if they wanted.

But what they wanted was to do movies. And Sony's wouldn't bite, so they compromised.

edited 15th Feb '15 3:12:02 PM by BadWolf21

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#27120: Feb 15th 2015 at 3:23:07 PM

[up][up][up]There is a shot of the Avenger's tower which in in New York when the Helicarrier start to target people. With a nice litte bullseye...most likely focussed on Tony.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27121: Feb 15th 2015 at 3:25:28 PM

I'm aware. I just watched the movie again two days ago.

Regardless, the plan had been for the Oscorp building to be part of New York's skyline in The Avengers. The deal was made, but too late for VFX to actually do it.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#27122: Feb 15th 2015 at 4:39:44 PM

@How To Do Yet Another Spider-man Film Adaptation from a few pages back.

If we're going for Peter-Parker, I wouldn't waste time establishing his supporting cast (the horrible thing about reboots is suddenly you have no certainty what state the extended family is in, so it's good to restablish them as fast as possible) so I'd probably start right off the bat with something we've not seen on film before; a Spider-man in his late twenties married to MJ and with Mayday in toe. Brand new to cinema take on Spider-man, and an easy to understand immediate supporting cast. Truth is we don't see many really established super heroes in film; we don't see heroes who are on first name basis with a group of rouges they've danced with a few times before.

Heck, you can have a lot of Spidey's rogues active off the bat; Electro, Rhino, Vulture and Shocker don't need on screen back stories to work, heck you could even have Sandman and Hydroman with no introduction and rely on the fact that their super powers are so easy to understand.

Personally, I've always preferred Spider-man to be a youngster, but I don't think a film adaptation is going to be able to best TASM's take on it.

Its not my favourite idea for the third Spider-man film franchise, but it's certainly something different.

What I REALLY want from an MCU Spider-man is for him to be part of the Defenders Netflix shows, for one to keep the focus on the MCU NYC tight and in one place , two because Spider-man has such a big supporting cast he benefits from a serialised story telling medium, three because the cast of the Defenders compliment him, and lots more reasons I don't want to whine to you all about.

I maintain Spider-man is doable on a TV budget; you'd have to cut the web-swinging from buildings, but most of television is on small sets anyway. What would be impossible to adapt would be a lot of his villains. Doc-Ock, The Green Goblin, Sandman, Scorpion, Vulture and possibly Venom.

And even then, Spidey isn't at the top of the list of characters I want to see as regulars in the Defenders. That would be Shulk. Then we get into things like Cloak And Dagger, Moonknight (Who is on the wrong coast, but eh) Blade and the Punisher, all characters who work on a TV budget. I half expect at least some of them to appear and or join the ranks of the defenders in subsequent seasons.

edited 15th Feb '15 4:45:41 PM by Whowho

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27123: Feb 15th 2015 at 5:26:04 PM

I suspect if the Netflix shows are a success then we'll increasingly see more street-level characters on that format since it's easier to do on a TV budget. I strongly expect the Punisher to show up sooner rather than later.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#27124: Feb 15th 2015 at 5:35:34 PM

I still say we need a Daily Bugle Netflix show. [lol]

A young Peter is kind of unavoidable at this point since popular interpretation of the character has him as a Teenager.

I was actually having a conversation with my little sister about it since she surprisingly loves majority of the super hero movies. She preferred Garfield over Mc Guire because she felt Garfield's Peter was more like students she actually knew at her school. That happened to be something I agreed with as well. I've been out of High School for 7 years now, but even then, I always felt like Tobey Mc Guire's Peter, while true to the 60s comic, felt like caricature of a "nerd."

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27125: Feb 15th 2015 at 5:42:07 PM

I know you're joking but I think a series focused on a news organization in a superhero universe is actually a pretty cool concept.


Total posts: 186,763
Top