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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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"Someone new" is just as valid as a fan-casting suggestion. :P
Also, I didn't think Tobey Maguire was good casting either. I'm with the camp that agrees that Peter Parker has never been done justice in live action.
We know that they're looking for someone younger this time, though. His age wouldn't have disqualified Donald Glover in 2010 when they were casting for ASM. But it disqualifies him now.
edited 15th Feb '15 11:12:33 AM by BadWolf21
And as a result—well, how many laymen do you think could tell you anything about Wondy's supporting cast or rogues gallery outside of the vague notion of "Amazon"? Right now the Flash and Green friggn' Arrow have more public awareness than Wonder Woman does.
She's only third in importance because having at least one woman in your merchandizing line-up is good PR. And that's the same reason she's getting a solo film.
edited 15th Feb '15 11:13:32 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.Obviously the solution is to hire Danny Glover.
edited 15th Feb '15 11:14:42 AM by Mukora
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Oh you said laymen. I was about to start listing things like some huge dork.
People might be familiar with Cheetah and Giganta from the Superfriends stuff.
edited 15th Feb '15 11:21:16 AM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the AvengersDo we need to bring out the flow chart of people who Peter dated again? Don't gimme this "Peter shouldn't be handsome" bologna.
My various fanfics.In fairness to some of the people who were mad about the Human torch's casting (like myself) it has less to do with Johnny being black and more to do with Johnny being black while Sue is still white because god forbid we have an interracial relationship in a major Hollywood movie that isn't explicitly about interracial relationships. This is why I personally dislike the idea of diversity for its own sake. Because when you are casting a black man for a role just to have a black man there you are playing at equality without having actually reached it.
EDIT: Damn this thread moved fast.
edited 15th Feb '15 11:35:16 AM by Canid117
"War without fire is like sausages without mustard." - Jean Juvénal des UrsinsIf anything, Reed should be the black one. He's the leader, the World's Smartest Man, and how often do you see a black man in that kind of dual position in a team movie? That, and a black man dating a white woman still seems to be more of a taboo than a white man with a black woman.
Of course, IIRC, this movie is having Reed's intelligence to be a result of his mutation, so that's a moot point if we're still going with bologna premise FOX has going. Because the black guy would only be super smart because he was altered by cosmic radiation.
I actually disagree with the idea that the actor for Peter should be a young kid. We've already had two origin stories so let's just skip that and have him already be a hero. An older actor would probably be a better choice in my opinion.
I still support Grant Gustin as Peter Parker although he probably won't be able to fit it into his schedule because of the Flash.
I'm pretty sure we already know that they're looking for someone younger, though.
The problem with Grant Gustin isn't his schedule (TV actors do movies all the time; e.g. Chris Pratt in Guardians), it's that he's the lead on a DC show. It's probably in his contract that he can't work for Marvel while he's doing the show.
Also, Peter being young and Peter being an established hero aren't mutually exclusive. He started being Spider-Man when he was 15. An origin story covers what, a few weeks? Maybe a couple months, tops? We're already way past his origin if he's as young as 16.
edited 15th Feb '15 11:50:30 AM by BadWolf21
Fixed that for you.
As for Miles, I suppose you could incorporate him into another spidey story. Like Maybe have him appear alongside good old Ben Riley and some others during the clone saga (he doesn't need to be a clone; perhaps, someone who ended up with powers as a result of the experiments that made the clones).
One Strip! One Strip!As for Peter I'm very eh on most of the choices being thrown around in the articles. I like Dylan O'Brien but a lot of the choices are just uninspired.
edited 15th Feb '15 12:00:43 PM by comicwriter
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Agreed. As long as he isn't just starting High School, there's no reason he couldn't already have been Spider-man for a year or so when we first see him in Civil War. They could even make a few references to him in Agents of SHIELD or Ant-Man to establish that someone is swinging around New York like some kind of...Spider-Man.
edited 15th Feb '15 12:00:42 PM by Falrinn
I just want them to retroactively edit Peter swinging around into non-action scenes in other Marvel movies.
My various fanfics.So... know that this isn't really intended to sound off on the current Spider-Man race debate - I just came to post this only to find that there was already one going on.
Anyway, I think Marvel really has a lot of potential in using Spidey now, not even despite but maybe even because of the fact that his solo movies are being handled by Sony (and thus dealing with the issue that might have happened if they got him entirely - that they just plain wouldn't have the time within their own schedule to solo films for him and thus he would be delayed a lot).
Spider-Man really shines as an ensemble character, or as a character who is guest starring in another character's story, or even just in team-ups in general. It gives him a lot of characters to bounce off of, which is a great way to establish a character's personality and traits without dedicating a whole plotline to them. He can be established as a part of the universe first and foremost, with solo films for his own individual stories: in the regular MCU films, he can mostly appear in fun action sequences like this
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I could get behind that.
An interesting piece chronicling the fall of the Spider-Man franchise
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edited 15th Feb '15 12:04:32 PM by comicwriter
Some folks have pointed out that, of all the F4 characters they could've picked to race-lift, they went with the wisecracking comedy relief whose superpower bares an unfortunate resemblance to a hate crime.
Which, fair enough.
I do think there are legitimate reasons to find the casting in that movie troubling, but they're not ones I see commonly expressed.
(Jamie Bell is not Jewish!)
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

What I was trying to get at that I should have phrased clearer is that it isn't a good argument that Donald Glover should be disqualified because he looks too old because so did Andrew Garfield.
But yeah, if you are looking to cast a young Peter and/or Miles, Donald Glover should not be on that list (nor should Andrew Garfield). As it is, Garfield and Emma Stone were way too old to be high school students, and while really well cast for their roles, would have been better cast for a college (or older) Peter and Gwen.
Glover could be Miles in a cartoon because it is the norm for voice actors to be significantly older than their characters.
Incidentally, I think it would be funny to have Glover as Overdrive, because Overdrive is this this huge Spider-Man fanboy that unsuccessfully tried to induce a super hero origin in himself (including being bitten by a radioactive spider) but it didn't work because Reality Ensues.
edited 15th Feb '15 11:09:21 AM by Hodor2