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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#27076: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:06:51 AM

What I was trying to get at that I should have phrased clearer is that it isn't a good argument that Donald Glover should be disqualified because he looks too old because so did Andrew Garfield.

But yeah, if you are looking to cast a young Peter and/or Miles, Donald Glover should not be on that list (nor should Andrew Garfield). As it is, Garfield and Emma Stone were way too old to be high school students, and while really well cast for their roles, would have been better cast for a college (or older) Peter and Gwen.

Glover could be Miles in a cartoon because it is the norm for voice actors to be significantly older than their characters.

Incidentally, I think it would be funny to have Glover as Overdrive, because Overdrive is this this huge Spider-Man fanboy that unsuccessfully tried to induce a super hero origin in himself (including being bitten by a radioactive spider) but it didn't work because Reality Ensues.

edited 15th Feb '15 11:09:21 AM by Hodor2

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27077: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:11:19 AM

[up][up] "Someone new" is just as valid as a fan-casting suggestion. :P

Also, I didn't think Tobey Maguire was good casting either. I'm with the camp that agrees that Peter Parker has never been done justice in live action.

[up] We know that they're looking for someone younger this time, though. His age wouldn't have disqualified Donald Glover in 2010 when they were casting for ASM. But it disqualifies him now.

edited 15th Feb '15 11:12:33 AM by BadWolf21

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#27078: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:12:08 AM

I'll grant you the Marvel ones, but Wonder Woman has nothing to do with headlines. She's behind only Superman and Batman in terms of importance to DC, so when they're doing Justice League movies, of course she's the first one to have her own out of the gate.
You do realize you're talking about a character who, beyond a TV pilot that was never supposed to be released and a poorly marketed direct-to-DVD movie, hasn't gotten a solo adaptation in forty years, right? Do you think that would've happened if DC was really prioritizing her? Hell, do you think Green Lantern and Jonah Hex would've happened before a Wonder Woman movie if DC was really, genuinely prioritizing her?

And as a result—well, how many laymen do you think could tell you anything about Wondy's supporting cast or rogues gallery outside of the vague notion of "Amazon"? Right now the Flash and Green friggn' Arrow have more public awareness than Wonder Woman does.

She's only third in importance because having at least one woman in your merchandizing line-up is good PR. And that's the same reason she's getting a solo film.

edited 15th Feb '15 11:13:32 AM by Wackd

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#27079: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:13:07 AM

Obviously the solution is to hire Danny Glover.

Also, I didn't think Tobey Maguire was good casting either. I'm with the camp that agrees that Peter Parker has never been done justice in live action.
I think Garfield was good. He had some problems but I wouldn't call him bad overall.

edited 15th Feb '15 11:14:42 AM by Mukora

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#27080: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:21:05 AM

[up][up] Oh you said laymen. I was about to start listing things like some huge dork.

People might be familiar with Cheetah and Giganta from the Superfriends stuff.

edited 15th Feb '15 11:21:16 AM by Bocaj

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27081: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:25:17 AM

[up][up] I never bothered to actually watch either of them. He seemed fine. But ASM had its own stylistic thing going on.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27082: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:27:18 AM

I wish Josh Keaton was, like, 10 years younger and maybe slightly less handsome? Because he is the best Peter Parker pretty much ever.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#27083: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:29:14 AM

Do we need to bring out the flow chart of people who Peter dated again? Don't gimme this "Peter shouldn't be handsome" bologna.

My various fanfics.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27084: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:30:30 AM

I did say slightly. Josh Keaton is like, romance novel cover handsome. Peter is like... indie romantic comedy handsome.

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#27085: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:30:42 AM

And add in a few more secret crushes too.

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Canid117 Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#27086: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:34:39 AM

In fairness to some of the people who were mad about the Human torch's casting (like myself) it has less to do with Johnny being black and more to do with Johnny being black while Sue is still white because god forbid we have an interracial relationship in a major Hollywood movie that isn't explicitly about interracial relationships. This is why I personally dislike the idea of diversity for its own sake. Because when you are casting a black man for a role just to have a black man there you are playing at equality without having actually reached it.

EDIT: Damn this thread moved fast.

edited 15th Feb '15 11:35:16 AM by Canid117

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27087: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:36:41 AM

Well then you're not mad that Johnny is black? You're mad that Sue isn't. Which, personally I could agree with.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
NapoleonDeCheese Since: Oct, 2010
#27088: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:40:13 AM

If anything, Reed should be the black one. He's the leader, the World's Smartest Man, and how often do you see a black man in that kind of dual position in a team movie? That, and a black man dating a white woman still seems to be more of a taboo than a white man with a black woman.

Of course, IIRC, this movie is having Reed's intelligence to be a result of his mutation, so that's a moot point if we're still going with bologna premise FOX has going. Because the black guy would only be super smart because he was altered by cosmic radiation.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#27089: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:45:08 AM

I actually disagree with the idea that the actor for Peter should be a young kid. We've already had two origin stories so let's just skip that and have him already be a hero. An older actor would probably be a better choice in my opinion.

I still support Grant Gustin as Peter Parker although he probably won't be able to fit it into his schedule because of the Flash.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27090: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:47:54 AM

I'm pretty sure we already know that they're looking for someone younger, though.

The problem with Grant Gustin isn't his schedule (TV actors do movies all the time; e.g. Chris Pratt in Guardians), it's that he's the lead on a DC show. It's probably in his contract that he can't work for Marvel while he's doing the show.

Also, Peter being young and Peter being an established hero aren't mutually exclusive. He started being Spider-Man when he was 15. An origin story covers what, a few weeks? Maybe a couple months, tops? We're already way past his origin if he's as young as 16.

edited 15th Feb '15 11:50:30 AM by BadWolf21

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#27091: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:59:30 AM

Yes, he appeared as THE GREATEST BOSS BATTLE EVER in Arkham City but that didn't change my perception of him.

Fixed that for you.

As for Miles, I suppose you could incorporate him into another spidey story. Like Maybe have him appear alongside good old Ben Riley and some others during the clone saga (he doesn't need to be a clone; perhaps, someone who ended up with powers as a result of the experiments that made the clones).

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#27092: Feb 15th 2015 at 12:00:00 PM

In fairness to some of the people who were mad about the Human torch's casting (like myself) it has less to do with Johnny being black and more to do with Johnny being black while Sue is still white because god forbid we have an interracial relationship in a major Hollywood movie that isn't explicitly about interracial relationships.
I'd give the Michael B. Jordan haters more leeway if that was what I actually saw but from my experience most of the complainers were not doing so in the name of racial equality. Plus once again it's ignoring the idea that maybe MBJ is just a good actor rather than a racial quota.

As for Peter I'm very eh on most of the choices being thrown around in the articles. I like Dylan O'Brien but a lot of the choices are just uninspired.

edited 15th Feb '15 12:00:43 PM by comicwriter

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#27093: Feb 15th 2015 at 12:00:26 PM

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Agreed. As long as he isn't just starting High School, there's no reason he couldn't already have been Spider-man for a year or so when we first see him in Civil War. They could even make a few references to him in Agents of SHIELD or Ant-Man to establish that someone is swinging around New York like some kind of...Spider-Man.

edited 15th Feb '15 12:00:42 PM by Falrinn

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#27095: Feb 15th 2015 at 12:02:31 PM

I think the Sony leak that said Marvel wanted to cast Logan Lerman also said they would skip past the origin story a la Incredible Hulk.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#27096: Feb 15th 2015 at 12:02:44 PM

I just want them to retroactively edit Peter swinging around into non-action scenes in other Marvel movies.

My various fanfics.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27097: Feb 15th 2015 at 12:03:28 PM

So... know that this isn't really intended to sound off on the current Spider-Man race debate - I just came to post this only to find that there was already one going on.

Anyway, I think Marvel really has a lot of potential in using Spidey now, not even despite but maybe even because of the fact that his solo movies are being handled by Sony (and thus dealing with the issue that might have happened if they got him entirely - that they just plain wouldn't have the time within their own schedule to solo films for him and thus he would be delayed a lot).

Spider-Man really shines as an ensemble character, or as a character who is guest starring in another character's story, or even just in team-ups in general. It gives him a lot of characters to bounce off of, which is a great way to establish a character's personality and traits without dedicating a whole plotline to them. He can be established as a part of the universe first and foremost, with solo films for his own individual stories: in the regular MCU films, he can mostly appear in fun action sequences like this or moments of familiarity like this, and then sometimes he could more important [scenes like this where who he is and what his personal ideals are have a real impact

edited 15th Feb '15 12:12:34 PM by KnownUnknown

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27098: Feb 15th 2015 at 12:03:55 PM

It's far too late to do anything with him in Ant-Man, except the post-credits stinger.

...Which, given that Civil War is the next movie after it, is probably what they'll do, actually.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#27100: Feb 15th 2015 at 12:41:30 PM

Some folks have pointed out that, of all the F4 characters they could've picked to race-lift, they went with the wisecracking comedy relief whose superpower bares an unfortunate resemblance to a hate crime.

Which, fair enough.

I do think there are legitimate reasons to find the casting in that movie troubling, but they're not ones I see commonly expressed.

(Jamie Bell is not Jewish!)

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.

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