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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#27051: Feb 15th 2015 at 8:40:10 AM

Technically only villains from Gotham should be sent to Arkham.

Other cities should have their own dang asylums and prisons. And probably ones with slightly better success rates.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27052: Feb 15th 2015 at 8:43:28 AM

That's not how asylums or prisons work.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#27053: Feb 15th 2015 at 9:04:15 AM

Which part?

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#27055: Feb 15th 2015 at 9:15:45 AM

I assume they're established on a per-county basis? Or per-state?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#27056: Feb 15th 2015 at 9:17:08 AM

Yeah I know but I'm thinking of Jene Loring being sent to Arkham after Identity Crisis when she lived across the country or something. Or at least in another state? DC geography is ambigious.

Plus in a superhero universe they'd probably need more prisons and/or asylums?

I mean Iron Man's secret negative zone prison had a huge population and that's just criminals/arrested heroes with powers.

edited 15th Feb '15 9:19:52 AM by Bocaj

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27057: Feb 15th 2015 at 9:18:14 AM

I'm not sure how it works. Especially in the States.

But I live in the largest city centre in my area, and both the main penitentiary and mental hospital are out of town. There are some facilities, but nothing like what supervillains would be in.

EDIT: Keep in mind that the story whose logic you're questioning in sending Jean Loring to Arkham is Identity Crisis. In the top 10 things wrong with that story, that doesn't even make the list. tongue

edited 15th Feb '15 9:19:53 AM by BadWolf21

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#27058: Feb 15th 2015 at 9:27:36 AM

@Grundy: Grundy is more of a general DC character these days, but he lives in Gotham - so appears in Batman more decently enough even if he's never quite established as a Batman rogue.

Granted, that's pre-Nu52. I dunno what his deal is now.

edited 15th Feb '15 9:53:02 AM by KnownUnknown

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#27059: Feb 15th 2015 at 9:42:47 AM

He was born on a Monday.

I'm afraid that's all we know, gentlemen.

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#27061: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:24:01 AM

http://whatculture.com/film/10-reasons-miles-morales-shouldnt-be-spider-man-in-civil-war.php

Any time "diversity" is listed as a con, whatever point someone is trying to make instantly flattens.

I'd prefer Peter before Miles, but Miles could still be brought in later on w/o having to kill of Peter. And quite frankly aside from the Donald Glover point and the fact that Peter is in the press release, every one of those reasons blew.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27062: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:29:12 AM

Oh boy.

"Miles isn't iconic" Yeah, but neither were Tony Stark or the Guardians of the Galaxy.

"Peter Parker would have to be dead." Nope. Not necessary at all.

"He's too young" He wouldn't have to be?

... Never mind, this list is too stupid for me to bother with the rest.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Wackd Since: May, 2009
#27063: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:31:13 AM

One needs only to look at the positive reaction that the announcements of movies for characters like Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Wonder Woman received (Cyborg was more of a, “Really?”) to see what fans what, and more and more comic books are reflecting that. However, there’s a huge difference between that sort of positive diversity and just switching things up for the sake of it in order to generate positive headlines.
I'm amused by the assertion that none of the three movies listed here were put into production to develop positive headlines—or, at the very least, to combat the influx of negative ones that results from making dozens of movies with white male leads.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27064: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:36:03 AM

I'll grant you the Marvel ones, but Wonder Woman has nothing to do with headlines. She's behind only Superman and Batman in terms of importance to DC, so when they're doing Justice League movies, of course she's the first one to have her own out of the gate.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#27065: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:37:01 AM

Him not being iconic enough seems like being a pretty good reason.

And regarding the Guardians of the Galaxy there's a distinct difference. The Guardians themselves are largely unknown characters. When people say "Who?" about Star-Lord, they're talking about not just who wears the mantle, but the mantle itself.

Spider-Man, on the other hand, is one of the most iconic superheroes ever. And he's iconic as Peter Parker, just like how Bruce Wayne is Batman and Clark Kent is Superman. Miles Morales? One single alternate Spider-Man out of many. What makes him more deserving than Ben Reilly, or Kaine, or Mayday Parker, or Miguel O'Hara?

If they were to ditch Peter Parker for the MCU, I'd be signficantly more hyped for Spidey 2099 than I would Miles Morales Spidey, whose biggest claim to fame is "being the one part of the Ultimate Universe that hasn't folded in on itself yet", and he's not even five years old yet in terms of publishing.

edited 15th Feb '15 10:38:19 AM by Khfan429

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#27066: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:39:16 AM

Oo a Mayday movie. Don't go teasing me like that.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27067: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:42:11 AM

I kinda want Spider-Man 2099 to have his own TV show now. The concept doesn't work with the movies, but an animated series would be cool.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#27068: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:47:10 AM

And regarding the Guardians of the Galaxy there's a distinct difference. The Guardians themselves are largely unknown characters. When people say "Who?" about Star-Lord, they're talking about not just who wears the mantle, but the mantle itself.
... I just realized that joke in the movie is a reference to how obscure the Guardians are. God damn it.

If Spider-Man has to be Peter Parker, then at least have colour-blind casting. I've seen some suggestions for Steven Yeun, and I am totally down with that.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#27069: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:48:37 AM

... I just realized that joke in the movie is a reference to how obscure the Guardians are. God damn it.

It's fine not to get it until this late. I didn't realize it until a few days after watching the film.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#27070: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:49:49 AM

@Bad Wolf- That would be cool. IIRC wasn't Batman Beyond supposed to be that at least early in the pipeline? (I thought that was why Terry was sort of Peter Parkery and his rogues gallery were almost all inspired by Spider-Man villains)

I think that article does have a decent point in that if Miles was in the movies, Donald Glover would not be playing him- or if he was, it would be a different version of Miles than the one in the comics.

Well, Andrew Garfield and Donald Glover are the same age, so to the extent it was believable that Garfield is a high school student the same should be true of Glover. It's just that Miles is a young teen whereas Peter is usually an older teen or (in adaptations) a Dawson Cast teen.

edited 15th Feb '15 10:50:14 AM by Hodor2

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27071: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:50:29 AM

You mean the Steven Yeun who, like Donald Glover, is in his 30s and looks his age?

They're going back to basics with Peter. Whoever plays him needs to convincingly look like a teenager. I wouldn't be surprised if they went with a complete unknown.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#27072: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:50:49 AM

I think having color-blind casting for Spider-Man is a surefire way to make a good chunk of people mad, for a much better reason than the Human Torch's casting did.

Because Miles Morales exists, casting a black Peter Parker would have Miles's fans up in arms about why they didn't use him. And it's at least more understandable than the uproar about Michael B. Jordan as the Human Torch, since there actually is a black Spider-Man they could use.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27073: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:53:13 AM

Steven Yeun and Donald Glover don't look their age to me at all. And casting being likely or not is not a convincing reason for me to not think a person would be great in a given role.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#27074: Feb 15th 2015 at 10:58:54 AM

I also don't really see Steven Yeun being right for the role anyway. His energy is kind of subdued. Or maybe I'm just too used to Glenn. I dunno.

Anyway, Andrew Garfield, Donald Glover, and Steven Yeun are all very clearly adults. If we're going back to a 16-17 year old Peter, I want to see an actor no older than 21. Spider-Man is a great role for fresh talent.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#27075: Feb 15th 2015 at 11:03:57 AM

"Subdued" describes literally every other person who's played Spider-Man in live action. Toby Macguire whispered his way through three movies, and Andrew Garfield wasn't much different in Amazing 1, at least.

I'll agree that it'd be nice to see some fresh talent. But people generally don't know fresh talent well enough to suggest them for fan-castings. That's kind of inherent in being fresh.

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