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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26901: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:14:55 PM

If the rumors about General Ross being in Civil War are true I wonder if they'll bring back William Hurt.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#26902: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:17:33 PM

I guess Talbot being in Agents of SHIELD makes it kinda relevant? But even then you don't have to see the film to understand his role there. I haven't, as I said, and I caught on fine.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#26903: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:17:43 PM

Regarding Phase 1, The First Avenger is a really solid movie. Hell, I even enjoyed Iron Man 2 when I saw it for the first time, though I haven't seen it since.

edited 12th Feb '15 5:19:22 PM by higherbrainpattern

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26904: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:20:17 PM

Most of the stuff in The Incredible Hulk is even either ignored or revamped. No noisy watch in the Avengers (and I can't express enough how glad I am about it). It's really the most insignificant movie of them all.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#26905: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:21:03 PM

I marathoned every MCU film (again, save Hulk) up to Iron Man 3 in a single sitting for my first viewing. And they all pretty much stacked up about equally for me. I could still rank them, but the difference would be really minor for each movie.

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Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#26907: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:26:38 PM

Well shit. Now I have to watch it.

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higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#26908: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:29:41 PM

Edward Norton was really good as Bruce Banner, IMO. I love Mark Ruffalo, don't get me wrong, but before he blew everybody away in the The Avengers, I was really bummed that Norton wasn't going to be able to play Banner.

edited 12th Feb '15 5:30:09 PM by higherbrainpattern

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#26909: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:30:08 PM

Incredible Hulk was probably as good as anything else in phase 1 (phase 0?). I like that they brushed over the origin.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#26910: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:39:58 PM

I didn't like Norton's Banner at all. He was kind of spineless, and nervous to the point that I could never really buy that this guy ever gets angry enough to turn into the Hulk in the first place.

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#26911: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:40:27 PM

A bit late, but the Guardians director basically said they won't be playing a major role in the Avengers. He's not exactly certain it's the case (nothing is set in stone and whatnot), but I'm pretty sure they're not going to be co-starring with the Avengers.

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#26912: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:52:48 PM

[up] He doesn't really say anything about Infinity War, though, so I think it might still be up in the air.

The only problem with replacing Selvig with Jane would have been the unfortunate implications of her being under his mind control.

...In what way?

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#26913: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:56:23 PM

[up][up]

I personally don't really buy it. I could see a situation where the Guardians don't appear in Part 1 and the amount of time they are actually working with the Avengers in Part 2 is minimal, but I really don't see a scenario where they don't appear at all.

The common thread between the Avengers and the Guardians is Thanos, who will be the main villain of Infinity War. Not only that, two of the Guardians (Gamora and Drax) have a personal beef with Thanos in particular. Because of this I don't believe such a major, and potentially final, confrontation with Thanos can be done justice without including the Guardians somewhere in there.

edited 12th Feb '15 5:56:37 PM by Falrinn

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Funny but not helpful
#26914: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:57:26 PM

I can see a post credits stinger where the Avengers lie beaten and defeated where the Guardians show up to join them.

Perhaps they are left beating and defeated IN SPACE?

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#26915: Feb 12th 2015 at 6:02:24 PM

They need to meet just for this conversation.

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  • CAP: ...yeah...about that....

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#26916: Feb 12th 2015 at 6:04:12 PM

I don't think an Avengers/GotG crossover movie is a good idea. I mean, has everybody forgotten one of the major reasons X-Men The Last Stand was hated? The Loads And Loads Of Characters? Guardians and Avengers already have characters who don't get the spotlight enough (Hawkeye, Drax, Gamora). Now imagine if the cast is doubled. Heck, I'm worried Avengers 2 will have too many main characters (the six main Avengers plus Vision, Scarlet Witch, Ultron, and a Rhodey cameo). The only way I'd want to see the GotG in an Avengers movie or vice-versa is in cameos.

edited 12th Feb '15 6:04:47 PM by spashthebandragon

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#26917: Feb 12th 2015 at 6:06:03 PM

As Bocaj pointed out, The Last Stand was awful because it was two potentially great movies smashed together into one rushed, poorly-developed mess.

Avengers 3 doesn't have that problem, because it IS two movies, so there's room to give us two movies' worth of content.

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Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#26918: Feb 12th 2015 at 6:08:31 PM

[up] Normally I'm not really a fan of the whole, "split into two movies" idea (did Mockingjay really need to do that?), but as far as this goes, I think it's necessary, considering how many characters could potentially be appearing.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26919: Feb 12th 2015 at 6:08:57 PM

If they've deigned Infinity War to be a massive enough story that it needs two movies (so probably at least five hours) I can't imagine it's not gonna involve a bunch of characters.

The other problem with all the pointless cameos in the Last Stand was that most of the audience was not familiar with any of them so they wasted a bunch of characters like Psylocke and Callisto by having them show up for ten seconds and then die. Chances are most of the heroes in Infinity War will have been introduced in some capacity by the time the movie drops so the audience will be more familiar.

edited 12th Feb '15 6:10:15 PM by comicwriter

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26920: Feb 12th 2015 at 6:09:08 PM

[up][up][up]Even a two-part movie with over ten main protagonists feels like a bad idea to me. I mean, how much interaction would the Avengers and the GotG have? We want Cap to interact with Star-Lord, we want Rocket Racoon to have banter with Tony Stark, we want Thor to have a funny conversation with Drax, etc, etc, but then we also want a coherent plot with plenty of action scenes and character development, not to mention establishing Thanos as more than a two-dimensional space warlord. It's too much. You'd need, like, five to ten movies to pull that off properly.

edited 12th Feb '15 6:10:44 PM by spashthebandragon

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#26921: Feb 12th 2015 at 6:09:40 PM

I know I'm a page and a half late, but the reason Godfather III sucked compared to I and II was because I and II were based on the original books. III was a film-only continuation.

It's Godfather GT.

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#26922: Feb 12th 2015 at 6:11:26 PM

[up][up][up][up] Mockingjay absolutely didn't - the amount of filler was unreal.

That being said isn't the 'too many characters' problem helped a little by the fact that by the time the film rolls out most of these characters will have appeared in at least a couple of movies to give them characterisation?

edited 12th Feb '15 6:11:58 PM by Mithridates

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#26923: Feb 12th 2015 at 6:18:03 PM

I want Peter and Steve to meet, and we think it's gonna be a bullshit angryman penis-measuring standoff like Tony and Thor, but then they're total bros because they're both the nicest guy ever.

Steve: Hi, I'm Captain America.

Peter: Holy shit, I read about you in school! You're the coolest! I'm Star-Lord.

Steve: I have no idea what that means, but you seem like a good person. Wanna fight evil?

Peter: OH MY GOD YES!

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26924: Feb 12th 2015 at 6:18:04 PM

[up][up]Characters in a movie need more than characterization, though. They need to have some sort of role to play so it feels like their inclusion is relevant. I can say with 100% certainty that, even without a GotG crossover, there's going to be at least one character in the Avengers movies who isn't developed enough, doesn't get as much screentime was the others, and doesn't feel important. It already happened to Hawkeye in the first Avengers movie, and that one "only" had around eight or so main characters.

edited 12th Feb '15 6:19:01 PM by spashthebandragon

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Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#26925: Feb 12th 2015 at 6:20:56 PM

Peter: Holy shit, I read about you in school! You're the coolest! I'm Star-Lord.

Steve: I have no idea what that means

This, at least, needs to be in the movie.

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