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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#26876: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:26:06 PM

Last Stand was two possibly good movies getting into a car crash.

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BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#26877: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:27:20 PM

That's an interesting way of putting it, actually.

Instead of being potentially good, it was kind of a trainwreck that took them almost 10 years to fix. tongue

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#26878: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:31:09 PM

I notice that's a common problem with bad superhero sequels. To an extent you can argue the same thing about Raimi's Spider-Man 3 and Amazing 2.

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#26880: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:44:09 PM

It's the stated trilogy syndrome. First movie's good, second's better (or at least decent), and the third is an utter trainwreck.

Examples: Mad Max, The Godfather, Iron Man, Spider-Man, X-Men, Superman...

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#26881: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:45:30 PM

Avengers 3 is 'Everyone: the movie', so there's always a risk.

edited 12th Feb '15 4:46:37 PM by edvedd

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26882: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:48:08 PM

I think that Jane could be an interesting character if they actually gave her something to do instead of just pretending that she does something. And yeah, removing Selvig would have changed the dynamic between Thor and Loki in the Avengers, but let's be honest here, of all the Avengers Thor's arc was the weakest. He barely interacted with the other Avengers and his reaction to the news that Selvig got kidnapped was "he is a friend". You know, the first confrontation with Loki could have remained unchanged assuming that Thor left Asgard befor Heimdall could tell him that Jane got kidnapped by Loki. But by kidnapping Jane instead of Selvig the result would have been that the second confrontation would have been way more intense (instead of being basically a repeat of the first one). And yes, it would have been difficult to convince Thor to concentrate on repelling the aliens instead of trying to break through to Jane. But it would have been a great character arc for him, the first time he would be forced to act for "the greater good" and protect the people he can help, even if it means that the one he loves has to wait.

The only problem with replacing Selvig with Jane would have been the unfortunate implications of her being under his mind control.

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#26883: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:48:30 PM

Pretty sure the Guardians and/or Defenders won't be in it. At least anymore than a minor role for the former and some cameos from the later.

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#26884: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:49:45 PM

[up]Minor role? The Guardians are probably going to be costars with the Avengers in Infinity War. Doing otherwise wouldn't make sense.

edited 12th Feb '15 4:50:06 PM by Kostya

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#26885: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:52:25 PM

Examples: Mad Max, Iron Man,
Excuse you. Beyond Thunderdome is amazing. And isn't Iron Man 2 generally the one people don't like?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26886: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:54:40 PM

I was about to just say that. I won't open that debate up again because Iron Man 3 is such a Base Breaker but either way Iron Man 2 is still generally regarded as the worst in the franchise. It does not follow the trilogy pattern of "One is good, two is great, three sucks."

edited 12th Feb '15 4:58:08 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26887: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:55:02 PM

I would be very disappointed if the Infinity war didn't involve the Guardians. How are the Avengers supposed to defeat Thanos without the power of dance and love?

And I honstly don't see much of a difference between Iron man 2, Iron man 3, Thor 1 and Thor 2....those are all movies which have elements I like and elements I don't like. Good ideas, weak execution.

The incredible Hulk is for me the weakest movie of the MCU.

edited 12th Feb '15 4:56:45 PM by Swanpride

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#26888: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:58:21 PM

I actually haven't even seen the Hulk movie. It just seems so... irrelevant. Plus, Mark Ruffalo isn't in it and I won't have that.

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#26889: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:58:39 PM

[up][up]That's nice but it still doesn't change that the series doesn't fit the pattern described.

edited 12th Feb '15 4:58:54 PM by comicwriter

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#26890: Feb 12th 2015 at 4:58:48 PM

As always, I would like to say that I love Iron Man 3. It's my second favorite of the phase two movies.

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#26891: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:02:06 PM

I also love Iron Man 3

I don't know how I'd rate it. Phase 2 had very good movies.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26892: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:05:17 PM

As a whole I was surprisingly impressed with Phase 2. The only one I didn't care for was Thor 2 but the rest at least entertained me, with the Winter Soldier in particular being a stand out.

jdj42 Since: Oct, 2012
#26893: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:05:19 PM

I liked Iron Man 3.

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#26894: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:07:51 PM

Iron Man 3 seems to be divided down people who loved the twist and people who hated it. I never saw 2 or 3, so I can't comment.

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#26895: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:08:49 PM

The Phase Two movies have been so fantastic I'm actually a little confused in hindsight about what people liked about the Phase One movies. Thinking about it, the only ones I really liked were Iron Man and The Avengers.

edited 12th Feb '15 5:09:03 PM by Wackd

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26896: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:09:20 PM

I liked it, I didn't love it. Same with Thor. But none of the Phase 2 movies were a dud, and we got two which were really outstanding. How often does THAT happen? Normally if you have a franchise, it keeps getting worse and worse, not better and better.

[up] Yeah, I agree, (Though I really liked the first Captain America movie), seeing phase 2 was a little bit like getting a new pair of glasses and suddenly realizing how bad your vision truly was beforehand.

edited 12th Feb '15 5:10:39 PM by Swanpride

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#26897: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:10:15 PM

I've loved all of the phase 2 movies. Including Thor 2. They've all been really fun so far. I hope Phase 3 lives up to the precedent, especially considering it has the first female-led and black-led movies.

edited 12th Feb '15 5:11:21 PM by Mukora

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#26898: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:11:08 PM

[up] Phase 2 isn't over yet...there are still two movies to go.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
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#26899: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:12:00 PM

Which is why I said "so far?"

I don't see what you're correcting, here.

I have to say, I can totally see Ant-Man being a flop. Something just feels so... lackluster. Which is odd when we still basically know nothing about it, but I dunno. I'm not very excited for it.

edited 12th Feb '15 5:13:13 PM by Mukora

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#26900: Feb 12th 2015 at 5:13:45 PM

@Mukora that's a good point. The Incredible Hulk is completely irrelevant. Nothing comes from it, nothing happens in it of significance. All that really matters is the after-credits scene where Tony shows up, and the deleted scene that's brought up in The Avengers about Banner trying to kill himself.

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