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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#26826: Feb 12th 2015 at 12:35:44 PM

[up][up][up] Oh hey, I have that trade

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#26827: Feb 12th 2015 at 12:49:39 PM

To put her into stats(Yes, Marvel has those and I don't know why.):

  • Official Ratings(1 is the lowest and 7 is the highest)
    • Intelligence: 3(Learned)
    • Strength: 5(Superhuman, 25-75 ton)
    • Speed: 5(Supersonic, Mach-2)
    • Durability: 6(Superhuman)
    • Energy Projection: 5(Long range, long duration, single energy)
    • Fighting Skills: 4(Experienced fighter)

Her main power(apart from flight, strength etc)is:

Energy Absorption: Her body is capable of absorbing various types of energy for the purpose of temporarily enhancing her own physical attributes. She can augment her strength and energy projection up to the force of an exploding nuclear weapon.

edited 12th Feb '15 12:50:53 PM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26828: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:01:49 PM

I am as usual behind the discussion, but here are might thoughts about Thor: The character I would cut is not Darcy, it is Selvig. And yes, I know that mot people like this character. But think about it: Why does Jane need an "older and more experienced" scientist on her side? Why can't Jane be the one who springs Thor from Shield custody? Does he anything in this movie Jane couldn't do aside from doing this "if you hurt her I'll kill you" scene, which is annoying as heck and adds nothing to the plot? You remove Selvig and Jane suddenly becomes a way more interesting character because she is the only scientist around she is the one who makes the important decisions. Instead of Selvig and her talking science, you could have Jane trying to explain Darcy science...which in turn would mean that the audience would get something understandable instead of long winded science babble nobody cares about. And it would be a funny joke if Jane would science babble, Darcy would say "in english please" and Jane would answer "realms in one line, reality disturbed, might result in destruction of the universe" (or something like this). If every scene in the first movie which involved Selvig and Jane discussing if Thor can be a god or not (which was boring as hell because we know that he is) had insead been a discussion between Jane and Thor why one shouldn't seek out war and why one should respect other races, Thor's character arc as well as the romance would have been way better.

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#26829: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:04:24 PM

Would Darcy then be the one with whom Thor drank, fought, and made his/her ancestors proud?

Because I support that.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#26830: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:05:19 PM

RE Norman Osborne,

I think the issue with having him beforehand (rights aside) as well as using him now is that his role in Dark Avengers involves to a great extent his status as a "reformed" super-villain. That's a big part of how he chooses his team and why him being given power is such an obvious bad idea.

An Osborne without that past is not much different than someone like Alexander Pierce (or even Nick Fury himself when pushing Project Insight)- he's just more malevolent about it.

[up][up] I do have a theory/suggestion that Thor will be killed but will come back as Eric Masterson- and the Eric will be in honor of Selvig.

edited 12th Feb '15 1:07:12 PM by Hodor2

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26831: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:07:38 PM

I think highlighting her hand to hand and blasts would be interesting because I think it'd make for a unique visual. We have something similar in Iron Man but he really sticks to ranged stuff like his repulsors and missiles usually.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#26832: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:12:32 PM

I agree with cutting Selvig. There was no good reason to have 2 scientists in that movie.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#26833: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:14:04 PM

It might have stemmed the complaints that Jane came off as not very believable as a scientist. Though I suppose now it would feel too ironic that she so happened to read up on Norse Mythology before meeting Thor.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#26834: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:18:03 PM

Maybe Darcy knows norse mythology?

Maybe just 'isn't thor one of those viking guys?' or something, prompting Jane to look for more info.

edited 12th Feb '15 1:19:36 PM by Bocaj

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#26835: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:19:42 PM

So in this version, who does Loki brainwash to help with the Cube?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#26836: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:22:24 PM

Old grouchy Hank Pym?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26837: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:23:03 PM

Exactly...they could have made Darcy a history or literature student (since her studying politics had no bearing on the plot at all...which is a shame, she could have discussed different political systems with Thor).

What bothers me about Selvig is the mind-set behind it. Neither Bruce, nor Tony need someone to approve of the work they do. But Jane for some reason needs someone to hold her hand. And what gives Selvig the right to meddle in Jane's love live? (though I admit Darcy drinking with Thor would have been funny).

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#26838: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:26:49 PM

I believe the joke is that there was an internship for science students and Darcy signed up for it because she was a political science student oh ho ho what a jest

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#26841: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:30:20 PM

Loki?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26842: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:31:19 PM

[up][up][up][up]Yeah, and this unpaid internship lasted three years....

edited 12th Feb '15 1:31:33 PM by Swanpride

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#26843: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:31:39 PM

For what it's worth, Natalie Portman originally was going to be in The Avengers. Her real-life pregnancy then meant she couldn't, but Avengers 2 is showing they could have gotten around that.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#26844: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:32:42 PM

Very infrequently meeting a norse god might be worth it?

Good on a resume?

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#26845: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:33:44 PM

Oh she was pregnant? I though Whedon kept her out because of his "no sidekicks" mandate.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#26846: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:35:28 PM

And yet Hawkeye got to be in it

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26847: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:38:00 PM

Though putting her in "the Avengers" would have only made sense if they had removed Selvig and given her his role instead...otherwise it would have been way too cluttered.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26848: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:52:00 PM

[up][up][up][up]There's some conflicting info because some sources say the pregnancy is the problem while on the other hand Whedon himself said that he did not want to include any sidekick or supporting characters, which is why RDJ had to fight to get Pepper included in that glorified cameo. Originally Whedon didn't want her to appear at all.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26849: Feb 12th 2015 at 1:55:03 PM

[up]But he was very happy with the end result and loved Pepper's scene.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#26850: Feb 12th 2015 at 2:04:42 PM

And yet Hawkeye got to be in it

That's because Jeremy Renner was only in the early stages of his pregnancy for the shooting, so it wasn't visible, but they did have to do all his scenes quickly, which is why he was brainwashed for most of it.


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