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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#26726: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:19:14 PM

Why does this thread becomes alive only when I'm not bored at work checking it every 5 minutes ?

I was not aware that Marvel was planning a Crisis event. I wonder if it can make things worse than Ultimatum. Then again, I've lost track for some time of what happens in both 616 and Ultimate verse. Just hope they keed the version of Reed Richards who is a good guy (I kinda like Fantastic Four).

On the subject of dead characters, the problem is that either you never kill anyone (save the occasional red shirt to show things are serious) and end up with Boring Invincible Hero against Joker Immunity, or have some characters thought to be dead to be revealed to have survived, which can become stale very fast, or kill actual, important characters, and run the risk of having them be fan-favourites and cause people to turn away from the comic. I won't pretend to have the right solution to this by the way.

I see the 60's Spiderman as some anti-Superman, and the death of Gwen Stacy was in line with this approach and worked well at the time (we never saw Superman botch a Lois rescue). Now after the various Dark Ages of comic books have passed, this has lost a lot of its originality.

edited 11th Feb '15 2:20:32 PM by C105

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#26727: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:19:57 PM

How do you feel about doombots?

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#26728: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:34:22 PM

They do not care what you pitiful commoners think of them.

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#26729: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:52:39 PM

Is there actually a time where Dr Doom was seriously incapacited and revealed to not be a doombot ? (Squirrel Girl excepted)

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#26730: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:55:32 PM

(Squirrel Girl excepted)

...That you have to say that is why we need a Squirrel Girl movie. >.>

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#26731: Feb 11th 2015 at 2:58:46 PM

Pretty sure the Doom in Secret Wars was the real mccoy.

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#26732: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:31:13 PM

He's lost fights before. The Doombot reveal is usually the result of a writer not agreeing with how he lost the fight. Often a different writer than the one who wrote the fight.

"Defeated by Power Pack? Nuh-uh, Doombot." "Doom would NEVER lose his temper and start calling female characters misogynistic slurs, he's classier than that, that's a Doombot!" "His armor was blown off and then Reed spun him around and spanked him? Nope, Doombot."

Doombots are easily the most well-known and prolific example of the "What that writer wrote is bad and I'm going to use my time at the pen to unwrite it!" phenomenon at Marvel.

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#26733: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:34:25 PM

[up][up][up]No argument from me for a Squirrel Girl movie (and She-Hulk, I love She-Hulk, provided she is not "characterised" as in Hulk and the agents of SMASH).

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#26734: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:39:18 PM

What did they do to her?

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#26735: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:50:01 PM

Made her generic angry tough girl protagonist.

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#26736: Feb 11th 2015 at 3:57:03 PM

Well, that was her first incarnation when she was basically just girl Hulk. She kind of moved away from generic angry girl in that series when Jen started to prefer being She-Hulk to the complications of living in polite society, lying to people and expectations and such.

But she hasn't been generic angry for... ever. So bad on you agents of smash.

Just more proof to my preconception about this round of marvel animated.

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#26737: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:29:22 PM

I have the second volume of Ultimate Fantastic Four (Don't judge me, the Library was giving this stuff away) and as I recall, Dr. Doom did lose, but this battle took place in the middle of Latveria so the people of his land came to protect him and the FF were like "yeeeeaaaaaahhhh, we can't do this anymore, can we?" and left.

[up][up]No.... No... Bad Agents of SMASH. Dammit, second round of Maarvel cartoons, why did you have to blow?

edited 11th Feb '15 5:30:56 PM by MousaThe14

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#26738: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:31:07 PM

Feels like how the Superman/Darkseid confrontation ended up in Superman the animated thingy.

I have the first volume of Ultimate FF and some random volume some numbers in where Ronan something something thanos.

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#26739: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:33:24 PM

[up]Well it is a good way to establish that your villain has allies that like or respect them rather than hate or fear them. Makes them, I dunno, something. Less Evil-looking? I dunno, I feel as though the sort of thing has merit but I can't really articulate what the merit is.

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#26740: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:35:25 PM

"Doom is many things, Richards. But here, Doom is God."

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#26741: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:35:29 PM

Its easy(ish) to overthrow a hated tyrant.

But how do you liberate people that don't want to be liberated?

sort of thing.

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#26742: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:37:13 PM

[up]Yeah, exactly, that sort of thing.

[up][up]Oh yeah, I remember that quote now. Been so long since I read it since I wasn't really feeling Ultimate FF. It is a very good line.

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#26743: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:39:21 PM

....I adapted a line from Superman: The Animated Series.

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#26744: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:41:03 PM

My memory is swiss cheese.

I have conflated Darkseid's moments with Dr. Doom's. Okay, I know now Doom didn't say tha but I know the moment happened.

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#26745: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:42:30 PM

"Superman does not kill! Superman will watch a guy get ripped apart by an angry mob though. ... Not even a little bit angry? Dang."

The comics tend to flipflop on whether Latveria is a horrible dystopia where the citizens are afraid of Doom or an advanced kingdom where the citizens love Doom.

edited 11th Feb '15 5:43:27 PM by Bocaj

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#26746: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:43:04 PM

Superman was counting on poetic justice.

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#26747: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:43:52 PM

Its just funny from the big blue boyscout is all.

Interesting loophole in his moral code.

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#26748: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:45:22 PM

Oh, he fucking hates Darkseid. Like, in all the universe, Darkseid is the only person Superman outright hates and would totally be down to murder.

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#26749: Feb 11th 2015 at 5:46:25 PM

"Well if you guys aren't going to kill him, give him back and I'll do it."
"No take backsies"
"This is the worst planet with the worst people."

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