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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
@Karkat: Because every time Gwen Stacy gets adapted (whether it's a live-action movie, or a cartoon), there's a very real fear that she's gonna get killed to mimic/ape the comic storyline even if Gwen is one of the highlights of that particular adaptation
- cough* The Amazing Spider-Man 2 *cough*
edited 11th Feb '15 10:46:59 AM by higherbrainpattern
The second the Comics Code ceased to be a threat was the second The Night Gwen Stacey Died needed to be reversed.
edited 11th Feb '15 10:51:48 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.![]()
Well, I was talking more along the lines of the trend in general.
Why then in particular?
And the other got canceled.
edited 11th Feb '15 10:52:39 AM by KarkatTheDalek
Oh God! Natural light!![]()
There have been times they've refrained from adapting her because they knew they couldn't kill her off.
Out of "respect".
I feel gross just thinking about that.
edited 11th Feb '15 10:57:27 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.I'd say that the ultimate universe had much bigger problems, going further back than people coming back to life.
One of these problems is called Mark Millar.
Yeah thats pretty bad.
edited 11th Feb '15 10:55:00 AM by Bocaj
Forever liveblogging the Avengers@Wack'd, well we can't agree on everything. I mean on the one hand I was glad Gwen was back but on the other hand It made her already cheap death feel even cheaper. And while it's been a while since I read it, I remember feeling disgusted with the whole thing but it may have been because of the aforementioned art.
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Because The Night Gwen Stacey Died was supposed to be a shot at the Comics Code. It was structured to circumvent their rules and to demonstrate that serious, dramatic storytelling with adult themes would not destroy the minds of children as the people who made the Code thought it would.
Once other comics followed its lead and the Code slowly shriveled away into nothing, the comics following its lead had drastically misinterpreted "serious, dramatic storytelling with adult themes" as "stories where bad things happen to women". That was the point where the reverence for the storyline needed to stop and the problems it had caused needed to be fixed. Instead, Marvel doubled down, and comic storytelling and representation of women has suffered too much for it.
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
Not really, mostly because I am always surprised with how much violence you can get away in US shows, while every bit of nudity is edited out...in Germany it's the other way around. Nudity? Who cares as long as it isn't sexual. Violence? Cut it or it ends up on the index! The stuff which is shown in the US in regular TV can't be shown before 23:00 over here.
I think it'd be better to just try improve the state of comicdom as a whole in the present, rather than going out of one's way to return to one event decades ago (one that writers already return to way too much - that's actually part of the problem) and going out of ones way to redo/undo it on the assumption that it would "fix" things. It's always better to improve writing than to screw around with continuity in order to just force the state of things that you want - One More Day is a great indicator of that.
Basically, move on and stop acting like we can't move on and improve from that point in time.
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I mean, killing characters, especially women, for essentially what amounts to shock value is pretty old hat at this point. Or at least, it should be. Let female characters be good protagonists or supporting characters as well and not just have them merely be disposable objects to ramp up the Mangst of a male hero.
edited 11th Feb '15 12:11:24 PM by higherbrainpattern
about time Sony realizes they can't make something good with Spider-Man on their own these days.
Here's hoping Fant4stic Four bombs hard too so that Fox also realizes they only hit the mark with X-Men and nothing else,and even then,when they miss,they miss badly and get things like X-Men 3 and Origins as results...
I wouldn't say "despised", so much as "recognized for being rather played out by this point". Of course, I can't speak for everyone.
And "Gwen The Saint" doesn't strike me as much of an improvement.
Oh God! Natural light!So.
Jut a random idea I got.
Let's assume that the 1978 Superman was the biggest box-office hit of all time when it came out, and everybody got all up in the superhero craze. What would an 80s Cinematic Marvelverse look like? I've got money on De Niro or Pacino as Tony, but that's all that springs to mind.
My various fanfics.If I were running Marvel, one iron-clad rule would be, "No do-overs. No take-backs."
We move FORWARD, not BACKWARD. I don't care how much you liked that series in the 70's, we're not pushing a Reset Button to appease the past.
The problem comics face today is that everyone's so busy trying to "fix" canon by bringing back the stuff they liked when they were kids that nobody's advancing it anymore.
edited 11th Feb '15 12:45:42 PM by TobiasDrake
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But wouldn't that mean you couldn't bring back characters who were killed off by bad writing?
Yes. Which means editorial better be doing their jobs and weighing the value of a character before signing off on a death scene, secure in the knowledge of, "If we ever want to use Bob again, we can just rez him."
Characters today can be killed off left and right because death is cheap and everyone knows it won't stick. "Tonight: Spider-Man DIES for the fifth time! Be here next month when we launch his new ongoing!"
edited 11th Feb '15 12:47:30 PM by TobiasDrake
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Spider-Gwen in the latest Spider-Women
Silk: Best not to think about it. Alt-universes are screwy.
Spider-Gwen: I know, right? Somehow in yours I'm Peter Parker's dead girlfriend. Fridged off a bridge.