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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#26626: Feb 11th 2015 at 7:44:43 AM

Your friend is an Agents fan and their complaint is that nothing happens in Agent Carter? That seems backwards.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26627: Feb 11th 2015 at 7:55:20 AM

[up]Well, the pacing of Ao S has really picked up in the second season...I keep expecting them to draw out of plot point, but nope, next episode they are already solved and they jump to the next one. Kind of refreshing.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#26628: Feb 11th 2015 at 8:02:18 AM

It's not really a contest. I mean I've only had the opportunity to see the first two episodes of Agent Carter but a helluva lot more happened there and was more entertaining than the First two, or even 5 episodes of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. It took Ao S ages to find its stride, I could already see one in Agent Carter from what little was available to me and I can't wait to watch the rest when I get home this Friday.

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lackofsense Since: Jan, 2013
#26629: Feb 11th 2015 at 8:23:47 AM

I have been reading this and I thought I'd weigh in on the whole Peter Parker/ Miles Morales thing. I have yet to see Peter Parker on the big screen. I've seen some odd interpretations of the character, Peter not as such. Now there is a chance that the character can be done right and everyone wants to chuck him out in favor of Miles. There are 43 years during which there are some great stories most of which haven't been adapted. I'm not against Miles but I still want to see what can be done with Peter Parker in MCU hands.

I'm not against non white/non male leads. Give me the Runaways. I want the Thunderbolts. Give me Shang chi. I'd love to see the Young Avengers become a thing in the MCU. I want a She-hulk movie. Also Cloak and Dagger.

I get why Peter has become stale. He is a victim of comicbook time. At one point the character was allowed to grow and change. Then One More day happened. I'm all for retiring 616 Peter, but that doesn't mean good stories can't be told with him in the movies at this point.

edited 11th Feb '15 8:25:23 AM by lackofsense

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26630: Feb 11th 2015 at 8:37:10 AM

[up]Exactly. And I would love to see his story told properly for a change.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26631: Feb 11th 2015 at 8:38:12 AM

[up][up]Well, considering the entire 616 universe is getting retired, I think the writers agree with you about retiring 616 Peter... Oh course, we don't know that new-Marvel Peter will be allowed to change any more than 616 Peter, but here's hoping.

Speaking of ethnic characters in the MCU, y'know who I'd love to see in the Daredevil show? Echo. She'd be easy to do on a TV budget, and Kingpin's already confirmed, so it's not like it wouldn't be hard to work her into, say, a two-parter based on the Marvel Knights comic.

edited 11th Feb '15 8:38:21 AM by spashthebandragon

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#26632: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:02:46 AM

[up] You'd love to see her.

Daredevil would, too.

Yes, I went there.

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#26634: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:08:19 AM

Well, considering the entire 616 universe is getting retired

Wait, is that official? I haven't read comics in a few months.

I've been complaining that the whole "Decay of the Multiverse" storyline was clearly leading to a reboot for the better part of a year now and have received no end of people telling me to quit my naysaying because Marvel doesn't do that.

edited 11th Feb '15 9:08:36 AM by TobiasDrake

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26635: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:12:33 AM

The current theory is that the new continuity is gonna be a mixture of the various timelines and alternate universes.

So basically Marvel's take on Crisis On Infinite Earths.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#26636: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:12:54 AM

Yep, Secret Wars is pretty much doing a setting reboot to something a bit different when the Ultimate and 616 universes combine.

Edit:[nja]

edited 11th Feb '15 9:14:04 AM by LordofLore

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26637: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:20:04 AM

How much you want to bet this is just being done to make the comics more in line with the movies?

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
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#26638: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:26:19 AM

Bringing the comics more in line with the movies, finally killing the Ultimate Universe like they've been promising for years but without sacrificing the parts everyone loves (by which I mean Ultimate Spider-Man), ending the complaints of Continuity Lock-Out that intimidates new readers, unwriting a variety of things that the New Alonso Regime wants cut out of continuity....

There are a lot of reasons to do a reboot. All of them are shitty and should not be resolved with a reboot because stupid universe reboots are DC's thing. But they're doing it, because f*ck it, the House of Ideas ran dry, and when you can't figure out how to write around the things you don't like, unwriting them is the hack's solution!

...man, finally having confirmation of my fears so I can be appropriately pissed off about them, this really takes me back. All the way to One More Day. DC Fans, we've been making fun of the Tom Welling Prime Punch for the better part of a decade now. You may open fire whenever ready.

edited 11th Feb '15 9:29:06 AM by TobiasDrake

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LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#26639: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:31:19 AM

Bendis summarizes it pretty well unlike most of Marvel's articles which say the same thing but 4 pages longer.

edited 11th Feb '15 9:32:38 AM by LordofLore

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26640: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:36:43 AM

So will 616 Peter Parker and Ultimate Peter Parker who recently turned out to still be alive be merged into one character, then? That's kind of a shame. I really like Ultimate Peter, and I don't really consider him exactly the same person as 616 Peter...

Or maybe 616 and Ultimate Peter will just be considered dead, erased from history, non-canon, or whatever, and the new Peter will just be his own thing.

But then... how much continuity is being kept? They're not gonna retell everyone's origin stories, are they? Is Gwen still dead? Does Peter know Norman is Green Goblin? What about Ultimate characters who are totally different, like Venom? Is he an alien or a science experiment now? Have the Avengers formed yet in the new timeline?

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26641: Feb 11th 2015 at 9:59:19 AM

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say only a select few things will be kept from the Ultimates. I'm gonna guess there's gonna be a black Nick Fury and Hawkeye will be a SHIELD agent and then they'll have Miles possibly as Peter's sidekick or protege.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#26642: Feb 11th 2015 at 10:02:48 AM

How do you write a 50+year old character "properly"? He's had dozens of different writers in differing styles. How are Toby or Garfield any less "proper"? What about the various cartoons in the last thirty or so years?

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26643: Feb 11th 2015 at 10:05:43 AM

[up][up]If Miles and Peter are gonna be Spider-Man at the same time, I'd rather see them both operating as equal and wholly seperate spider-themed heroes. Peter doesn't need a sidekick and Miles doesn't need to constantly be in Peter's shadow.

So... any suggestions for giving Miles his own superhero name? I mean, they can't both be Spider-Man if they're alive at the same time. That's just confusing. Hmm... Spider-Boy, since he's younger than Peter?

edited 11th Feb '15 10:05:52 AM by spashthebandragon

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26644: Feb 11th 2015 at 10:10:10 AM

I doubt that'd be much of an issue just market the other book as Ultimate Spider-Man as opposed to Amazing Spider-Man.

edited 11th Feb '15 10:10:43 AM by comicwriter

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26645: Feb 11th 2015 at 10:12:25 AM

[up]It'd still be confusing in-universe.

"Look, it's Spider-Man!"

"Which one, the black one?"

"*gasp* That's racist!"

"What? No, I meant he's wearing a black costume-"

"Don't speak to me, you filthy racist!"

edited 11th Feb '15 10:13:09 AM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Brandon Deadly Vu! from Between Thanksgiving and Christmas (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
Deadly Vu!
#26646: Feb 11th 2015 at 10:14:41 AM

Raise your hand is your weary of the idea of another Spider-Man reboot?

Seriously, who's idea is that? Sony or Marvel's?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26647: Feb 11th 2015 at 10:15:27 AM

Spider-Miles

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spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#26650: Feb 11th 2015 at 10:18:20 AM

I thought Marvel was supposed to be above insane crisis crossover reality reboots every ten minutes. I thought it was better than that. I mean, It's been able to maintain a individual realities for so long just fine and able to sustain the main one.

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