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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#26451: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:45:43 PM

It could also be that America the geographic country has spider-powers, or is a giant spider itself.

Woo, another great pagetopper claimed by moi.

edited 10th Feb '15 3:46:00 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26452: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:46:30 PM

"It all began with Carl Cephalothorax, a mild mannered spider who wandered innocently into a radical patriotic pep-rally, which was experimenting with a highly unstable and untested new direction of rhetoric. Blundering in despite the danger, Carl was accidentally bombarded with radioactive waves of pure patriotism, and emerged unharmed and gifted with the powers of the Superlative Spider-America!"

edited 10th Feb '15 3:47:38 PM by KnownUnknown

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#26453: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:47:29 PM

"The two companies said late Monday that Spider-Man will appear in an upcoming Disney-produced Marvel super-heroes movie; that movie is 2016’s 'Captain America: Civil War,' according to a person with knowledge of the matter."

Yeah, it's probably likely, but still it's from an unconfirmed source.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#26454: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:47:34 PM

[up][up]Glorious Spider Patriotism!

Fund that movie now, Sony/Marvel.

edited 10th Feb '15 3:48:14 PM by Ekuran

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26455: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:48:14 PM

[up]x5 You would know why I cared if you bothered actually reading all the posts I've been making.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#26456: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:48:26 PM

Look, it's fine if you don't like it, but you really do not have to point it out every fucking time.

edited 10th Feb '15 3:48:34 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#26457: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:49:19 PM

[up][up][up][up][up][awesome]

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#26458: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:50:21 PM

Best Marvel character with "America" as part of their name or alias is America Chavez.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26459: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:50:23 PM

[up][up][up]We were just talking about the Miles vs Peter thing like a page ago. It's not like I brought it up again out of nowhere.

edited 10th Feb '15 3:50:43 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26460: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:50:58 PM

You would know why I cared if you bothered actually reading all the posts I've been making.

Oh, I did, I just find wanting more diversity or something different to be a totally valid reason. And as Mukora said you needing to step in and respond to every person saying they want Miles "for the wrong reason" is just kind of annoying at this point.

A few years ago both Marvel and DC kind of stepped up introducing minority characters in their comics, though they each had their own tendencies. While they don't stick to them like glue or anything, I feel liked DC mostly went with introducing Legacy Characters who were a different race or gender (which I could swear we had a trope for), where Marvel likes introducing minority characters as supporting characters in the mythoses of their main heroes. Both of these have their advantages and disadvantages, but its why at the time I thought Miles Morales was a pretty DC kind of move.

The main drawback for each is that in the Marvel method you end up with some pretty cool characters who while cool, are always gonna be playing second banana (which is better than nothing) and then with the DC method you face something of an uphill battle because fans of the original will complain.

Which is precisely why I find adaptations to be the ideal place for that one. With the exception of Spider-Man most of the characters with legacies tend not to be A-list icons, which means when you're making a movie or TV show there's going to be less pushback by virtue of most of the audience not knowing much about the franchise at all. Like how Batman The Brave And The Bold used the more recent minority versions of Blue Beetle, Firestorm, and The Atom. Or even in a non-minority example, Justice League using Wally West and John Stewart instead of Barry Allen and Hal Jordan.

edited 10th Feb '15 3:55:10 PM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26461: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:51:46 PM

I'm currently trying to think of an archenemy for him.

[up] Marvel's running into one of the effects of that now - because they tend to have their minority characters be supporting heroes, all of the non-white male characters in the film universe so far are Satellite Characters and people are beginning to clamoring for non-white male headliners, which they've only just started to deal with this year, which is a pretty long time after the MCU first got started.

edited 10th Feb '15 3:54:42 PM by KnownUnknown

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#26462: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:52:33 PM

The Red Exoskull? General of C.E.N.T.I.P.E.D.E.?

edited 10th Feb '15 3:53:20 PM by Anomalocaris20

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26463: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:54:36 PM

And then also thinking about the legacies part of it is the simplicity. It's rare to see legacy characters get used because for the most part it's usually simpler to just go with the original instead of having to explain that there were multiple iterations before, which is why someone like Miles might be tough to do. And then if you just ignore Peter anyway then you lose a bit part of what makes Miles unique. I think Ant-Man and Black Panther are our first legacies in the MCU, right?

It's the same reason while I LOVE LOVE LOVE Kamala Khan I don't want to see her until we've already had Carol Danvers established.

Marvel's running into one of the effects of that now - because they tend to have their minority characters be supporting heroes, all of the non-white male characters in the film universe so far are Satellite Characters and people are beginning to clamoring for non-white male headliners, which they've only just started to deal with this year, which is a pretty long time after the MCU first got started.

Yeah it's rough. I think it'd be mitigated a bit if they'd done a little more to try and put some minority characters in their team movies. I do think though they might be heading this route since I know Feige has at least acknowledged how many people were asking for more diverse characters when he was talking about Black Panther and Captain Marvel.

edited 10th Feb '15 3:59:02 PM by comicwriter

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#26464: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:58:55 PM

I mean, the MCU is currently, what, 7 years old? And we only just recently got anything set within the universe with a lead that isn't white or male. And it's not even a movie- it's a TV show. Add onto that that we aren't even getting Black Panther and Captain Marvel until 2018, I think wanting the Spider-Man movie to star a black hispanic kid is perfectly valid reasoning to want Miles Morales as the main character.

Yeah, you could say "I hope they have colourblind casting for Peter Parker" but Miles already exists, won't cause racelifting backlash, and is a pretty cool character to begin with.

edited 10th Feb '15 4:00:10 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#26465: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:59:02 PM

@last page: Peter's had 5 movies comprised of two movie series with a third reboot on the way. I wouldn't blame people for being sick of Peter.

edited 10th Feb '15 4:01:48 PM by higherbrainpattern

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26466: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:59:29 PM

[up][up][up]But are they going to make Carol ever have been Ms. Marvel? I figured they'd go straight to making her Captain Marvel. I mean, I guess they could change it so Kamela got the name 'Ms. Marvel" based on "Captain Marvel," but then that wouldn't technically be a Legacy Character. It'd be... I don't know, one superhero basing their name off another hero's name.

[up]By that logic, shouldn't people be sick of most popular superheroes? X-Men have had seven movies (though to be fair, I'm pretty sure people are sick of Wolverine...), Iron Man will have appeared in six come Civil War and eight come Infinity Wars Part 2. Now granted, Iron Man's not the main character of all those movies, but who says Peter has to be a main character every time he shows up in a movie?

Really, I think this is a result of adapting comics to film. Most superheroes have been around for decades. Heck, I bet if you did perfect panel-for-panel recreations of Ultimate Spider-Man comics as films, Miles would have more total screentime than Tobey Maguire Spidey and Andrew Garfield Spidey combined.

edited 10th Feb '15 4:05:49 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26467: Feb 10th 2015 at 4:00:39 PM

[up]That's probably what they'd do but I think it's more important that she's inspired by Carol Danvers rather than being her sidekick. I mean Carol has nothing to do with her in the comics other than serving as her inspiration, so it's not like Batman and Robin or something like that.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#26468: Feb 10th 2015 at 4:02:18 PM

@Comicwriter- I think Kamala is the less tied to a predecessor of the two. She is a big fan of superheroes and Carol Danvers in particular, but her powers/origin is completely unrelated to Carol.

Like I don't know if this would be the best idea, but at least in theory you could easily have a Kamala who loves The Avengers and is a Black Widow fangirl and who (as in the comics) is an Inhuman.

With Miles, you either have to have him inspired by Peter or else make a change such that there is no Peter and Miles is the original/only Spider-Man.

edited 10th Feb '15 4:03:35 PM by Hodor2

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
Destroyer of Worlds
#26469: Feb 10th 2015 at 4:03:20 PM

So to recap, you want Miles in the movies because 1) he's black and 2) he's not Peter. Wow, thanks for so perfectly illustrating the point I've been trying to make about people who want Miles instead of Peter.

1) I'm not sure why you're saying that like it's a bad thing. Some diversity would be nice and I'm sick of Peter.

2) I noticed you missed the part where I mentioned that he was more of an average person than Peter and that you focused on the ethnic part rather than the kid part.

3) I don't know why you're acting like I wasn't aware of what I saying.

4) Also he's multi-racial. I would totally love a hero that's multi-racial like me. It makes it easier to relate to him. Can I get one multi-racial character to relate to your guys' 8 crusty old white guys please?evil grin

edited 10th Feb '15 4:07:03 PM by MadSkillz

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26470: Feb 10th 2015 at 4:03:23 PM

I think one of the issues was also that Phase 2 was nothing but sequels, two of which were written as very removed from the rest of the universe, and tv shows - one of which took its sweet time adding anything substantial to the universe in general. No new mythoses, no new headliners, and a bit less broadening of the universe in comparison to before (though Winter Soldier almost makes up for it).

This has hurt the MCU in several ways imo, including them not introducing more non-white characters when they should have. I think Black Panther should've been introduced years ago, for one.

MiscellaneousSoup (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26471: Feb 10th 2015 at 4:03:46 PM

My idea, copied and pasted from a comment section that I posted in. "Okay, hear me out. Spider-Man is an adult. He has a daughter named Mayday. She has spider-powers. Her best friend is named Miles Morales. After she gets her powers, she confides in Miles. On accident, he ends up with spider-powers. Boom! Triple spider team-up story!"

C105 Too old for this from France Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Too old for this
#26472: Feb 10th 2015 at 4:04:38 PM

Just passing through, this thread updates too fast for me to follow.

So now we may be treated to a snark-to-snark combat between Spiderman and Tony Stark. I'd really love to see that.

Apart from that, I'm hoping for a She-Hulk movie someday, if only to have a stinger where she tells the viewers that they can leave the theater now.

Whatever your favourite work is, there is a Vocal Minority that considers it the Worst. Whatever. Ever!.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26473: Feb 10th 2015 at 4:05:45 PM

Oh, wait. I just realized.

YES!

This can happen!

edited 10th Feb '15 4:05:56 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26474: Feb 10th 2015 at 4:07:29 PM

[up]Perfect.

And yeah. I think we're at least thankfully going to have some of the new Phase 3 heroes in the Avengers come Infinity War, so that's something to look forward to. And I'm really hoping since they know Asia is such a huge market that we get some Asian heroes eventually.

edited 10th Feb '15 4:07:57 PM by comicwriter

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26475: Feb 10th 2015 at 4:08:34 PM

[up]x6 Have you actually read any of the posts I was making immediately prior to you coming into the thread? I was literally complaining about people doing exactly what you just did. That's why I'm being snippy with you. Like, you're allowed to have whatever opinion you want, but I just got done explaining why I think that particular opinion fosters bad writing. It's very annoying to me.

Also, I disagree with Miles being more average than Peter. They both seem equally average. Also the latest comic revealed Miles's dad was a SHIELD agent infiltrating the Kingpin's group. Does that sound average to you?

edited 10th Feb '15 4:10:57 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.

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