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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#26351: Feb 10th 2015 at 12:35:23 PM

I can see Miles being a character but it's going to Peter. It'd be like making your official Captain America movie, but with the Bucky-iteration.

I do think Miles will end up being introduced as a supporting character much in the way that War Machine, Black Widow, and Falcon were.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#26352: Feb 10th 2015 at 12:38:25 PM

How about both? Keep the name Peter Parker, and some of the personality, but also toss in personality elements and the ethnicity from Miles Morales.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#26354: Feb 10th 2015 at 12:47:34 PM

[up][up]I'd rather keep the two characters distinct to avoid the shitstorm.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26355: Feb 10th 2015 at 12:56:38 PM

As someone who really doesn't like Miles, I wish people would stop saying "I want to see Miles in the movies because I'm sick of Peter!" and start saying "I want to see Miles in the movies because I read his comics and think he's a great character!"

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Dark Eye
#26356: Feb 10th 2015 at 12:59:31 PM

I'd actually like a Spider-Men (ie: Peter and Miles both present at the same time and working together). They've been pretty cool in the few times Miles met 616-Peter and it would be cool to see what would have happened if Miles had stood up and become a proper hero before Peter died.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#26357: Feb 10th 2015 at 12:59:46 PM

[up][up] Do you really think people don't read Miles' comics or think he's a good character? Because many (including myself) do.

[up] Agreed. I loved Spider-Men for that very reason.

edited 10th Feb '15 1:01:16 PM by higherbrainpattern

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26358: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:14:23 PM

[up]That's not what I'm saying. I know it's really hard to avoid this given Peter Parker is pretty much THE Spider-Man in the general public's eye, but I really want Miles to be his own character and not just "replacement Peter." If people sincerely like Miles as a character and they want him in the movies, they need to explain what Miles has to offer and what makes him so appealing instead of just tearing Peter down. I mean, by the logic of "Peter is boring, we need a new Spider-Man!" why not use Ben Reilly or something?

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#26359: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:15:01 PM

What was everyone's problem with the second Amazing Spider-Man movie?

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.
spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26360: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:17:04 PM

[up]The plot was kind of a mess. I didn't really mind, though, and frankly I think people are way too harsh on it. Considering it looks like we're not getting an Amazing Spider-Man 3, though, I guess I'll give up and stop trying to defend it since apparently not even the people who made the Amazing movies have faith in them anymore...

edited 10th Feb '15 1:17:53 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26361: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:24:57 PM

I just realized that Spider-Man being in the MCU allows Aunt May / Original Jarvis to be a thing. tongue

Not that we'd ever see it, as even if something happens to the wife we see for Jarvis in Agent Carter there'd probably never be much of a reason to see the time period in which that would even happen.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#26362: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:31:08 PM

What was everyone's problem with the second Amazing Spider-Man movie?

There were too many villains, Electro's character development was sudden with little good reason for moving to each phase, the movie juggled too many plotlines, Rhino was wasted, Normon Osborn died off for no good reason, Spidey was a jerk to Harry Osborn by not trying to save his life, Gwen Stacy's death set up and ended a whole plotline in the last 15 minutes, Green Goblin passed the Moral Event Horizon way too quickly, and the movie forced itself to end on a happy note even right after a huge tragedy. And way more reasons after these.

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#26363: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:31:31 PM

I want Miles because he's not the A-Lister that Parker is. He'd fit well with the MCU's habit of taking the under used characters and bringing them to the top. That's what I love about the MCU and why I don't want the X-Men or Fantastic Four under the MCU banner. I feel they'd get lazy and instead of obscure and potentially awesome stuff like Groot, we'd just get Reed doing Science.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#26364: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:36:34 PM

If Marvel keeps Miles around after the whole Secret Wars reboot, a movie debut would be a good way to introduce him to a brand new audience.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26365: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:36:59 PM

[up][up]That's still using the "ANYONE but Peter!" mentality rather than relying on any traits that make Miles worthwhile and unique. How about "I want Miles in the movies because I really like his supporting cast" or "I want Miles in the movies because his relationship with his dad is something the MCU has never really done before?"

edited 10th Feb '15 1:39:21 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26366: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:37:18 PM

[up][up][up]And the hilariously blatant valedictorian speech that hammers you over the head with the knowledge Gwen is about to die.

edited 10th Feb '15 1:37:38 PM by comicwriter

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#26367: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:38:31 PM

[up]x2 Does it really matter why people want Miles in the MCU?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#26368: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:41:14 PM

I'm not a Miles fan either but you are taking this a bit far Splash.

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26369: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:43:53 PM

[up][up]Yes, because it seems to me like a good portion of the people clamoring for Miles only want him in because they don't like Peter, rather than because they actually like Miles. Which, like I said, would mean Miles is forever doomed to be known only as "Replacement Peter." As opposed to, say, Terry McGinnis, who is clearly a distinct and unique character from Bruce Wayne. Making Miles exactly the same as Peter but with a different name and ethnicity is devaluing the character.

[up]This isn't just an issue I've had with Miles potentially being in the movies. I've had this issue with Miles in his own comics, too (seeing as the latest storyline brought Peter back from the dead). Basically, I think there's something fundamentally wrong with the way Miles's character is being used.

Of course, considering Secret Wars is about to squish the 616 and Ultimate Universes together, it's entirely possible Miles and Peter might both be active at once in the new Marvel universe, so maybe my problems with Miles will sort themselves out. I don't know.

edited 10th Feb '15 1:46:28 PM by spashthebandragon

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#26370: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:44:20 PM

Yes, because it's a matter of "We want Miles" vs "We don't want Peter". The reasons behind why things are done and wanted are just as important as the things that happen. Killing of a character because the actor doesn't want to continue is different than killing off a character because it serves the story, and choosing a character because you like them is different than choosing a character because you don't like the other options.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#26371: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:45:45 PM

From the press release:

"This new level of collaboration is the perfect way to take Peter Parker's story into the future"
A better conversation topic at this point would probably be how they can have Miles show up as a supporting character.

Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#26372: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:46:34 PM

I still don't think it's a big deal.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26373: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:47:42 PM

I too agree with Splash. I had a conversation here a while ago about how if we do use Miles, we should adapt him as Miles - that is, that we should deal with what makes Miles unique and interesting as a character, rather than just having it be essentially Peter as Spider-Man, just colored brown and named Miles.

Which means we need to have reasons why we want Miles Morales as a character, and make sure to work with those, not reasons why we just want a non-Peter Spider-Man and just picking Miles because he's one of those. As [up][up][up] said, that's how things ought to be done - it's where good character decisions come from.

edited 10th Feb '15 1:48:50 PM by KnownUnknown

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#26374: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:48:51 PM

So does that mean that Black Panther is out of Civil War?

We don't even know what role Black Panther is supposed to play in Civil War. Given who he is (a king) and the fact that the name "Black Panther" is (I think?) a title afforded to him as king, I don't think he fits the role Spider-Man fulfills in the story very well, so I find it unlikely that Peter being around means anything different for T'Challa.

Given that Age of Ultron is going to be a more global story than The Avengers, I think we're going to be seeing Black Panther set up in Age of Ultron, so that he's already part of the game by the time Civil War happens.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#26375: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:49:55 PM

This is feeling like a reverse "No True Miles Fan"...

I doubt they'd have put Miles's name on the press release. Right now Marvel and Sony are still in the planning stage so they haven't yet worked out if they'd go with an alternate Spidey. And even if they have, thy might want to keep it a surprise for now. Maybe not even reveal it until Civil War.


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