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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Dear lord yes.
"Jameson, do we really need fifteen Spider-Man articles per issue?"
"I know what I'm about, son."
edited 10th Feb '15 9:56:01 AM by Wackd
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.I need to watch Parks and Rec and Community. Probably some other things.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThat's becuaseh e is Jameson. Besides the 90s cartoon there is no other Jameson than him. For all the old Spidey Films' flaws, J. K. Simmons was The perfect J. Jonah Jameson.
Also, On the news of Spidey being in the MCU, I'm lukewarm on it. I was hoping the MCU was going to keep on going to prove that they didn't need their historically biggest and most popular properties to succeed.
I guess I just didn't expect Sony to give up so easily. I thought we would be waiting so long to get Spidey back that talking about him being in the MCU would be wholly irrelevant. I mean I know the Amazing Spider-man 1 and 2 was bad, I mean I had to sit through every agonizing second and tried to MST 3 K it with my friends, but I didn't think it was "Sony is giving up" bad.
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Hallelujah.
Yes it is. Once the act was passed and Cap was dead the fighting stopped. The heroes weren't fight each other anymore (not on that level) and what came after was essentially trying to rebuild.
I'm sure Infinity War will be what reunites them but I doubt Civil War is going to keep on running since none of the other films before Infinity War have any connection to it. Ragnarok is likely going to be mostly about Asgard and GOTG 2 is gonna be space based again.
edited 10th Feb '15 10:08:06 AM by comicwriter
Okay, hypothetical talk time. She-Hulk story progression.
In most superhero films the story is about discovery in the first, acceptance in the second and reaffirmation in the third. You first have the hero discovering what being what heroing is about, then you have the hero in self-doubt if the hero is fit for the job, and finally, he is put to the test to see if he deserves to be a hero.
This does not fit with She-Hulk. Instead let's follow a different path.
First, she has to figure out her limits. She might become overconfident, and that would be her biggest conflict. She might think she's invincible, but she isn't.
In the second film, she needs to accept that she's still Jennifer Walters, that this part of her still exists, and also that this isn't a weakness or a bad thing.
Finally she has to be able to deal with not having powers anymore, with being unable to turn into She-Hulk. But, it's also about being as confident as her even without the strength or her physique. She might not be as sexy as She-Hulk, but gosh darn it, Jennifer is still a sexy lady.
But that's just how I'd do her movies.
Signatures are for lamers.Amazing 2 was totally "Sony giving up" bad. Not just because of the film itself, but because of the way it set up Sony's plans for a Spider-Man Cinematic Universe by killing off one of the two most likable stars in the franchise and sabotaging the protagonist of the next film.
Sony's plans depended on Sinister Six being a hit, and Amazing 2's ending guaranteed that nobody wanted to cheer on Sony's Harry Osborn as he takes center stage of his own film. It's like if, at the end of Iron Man, instead of Fury inviting Stark to join the Avengers Initiative, the Stinger was the Hulk destroying the Stark residence and beating Pepper to death, then going, "COME SEE HULK'S MOVIE!" before leaping off into the distance.
This should be a no-brainer, but NEVER have the next film's protagonist murder one of the most beloved characters in the franchise unless you want to fail.
edited 10th Feb '15 10:11:45 AM by TobiasDrake
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I think what happened was that Spider-Man was being surpassed by characters he's arguably way more popular than. Avengers, X-Men and Captain America? Sure. But when frickin' Star-Lord makes more money than Marvel's most iconic superhero, it's time to start doing damage control.
They watched Marvel kick their ass with a movie starring a bunch of Z-list losers nobody had ever heard of, and decided they wanted some of that magic to rub off on them.
edited 10th Feb '15 10:12:48 AM by comicwriter
Those "Z-list losers" beat a lot of movies, up to and including two out of three Iron Man films. #8 on the Superhero listings
ain't nothin' to scoff at.
edited 10th Feb '15 10:14:15 AM by TobiasDrake
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They took a calculated risk that, honestly, probably could have paid off for them if they didn't have Harry do it.
Killing Gwen wasn't, in and of itself, the mistake. Having Harry kill Gwen immediately before asking people to follow him off into his own movie was. Nobody cares about your movie, Harry, because you murdered our favorite character.
They knew exactly how impactful Gwen's death would be, but didn't think about the consequences of how the audience would view her killer.
edited 10th Feb '15 10:20:57 AM by TobiasDrake
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Okay Tobias, when put like that, you make an excellent point. I forgot how attached people were to this version of Gwen. I was always positive-to-neutral towards her, but I found her death to be entirely preposterous in so many ways. The circumstances surrounding it, how it happened, the fact that the moment made me laugh when it wasn't supposed to... But that's not the point.
Also, I knew they were setting up a Sinister Six film but I guess it just never hit me that their Harry Osborne was supposed to lead it. I don't know why it never occurred to me that was how it was going to work.
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My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.It was simply a case of too many conflicting ideas. It is too bad, because I really liked TAS....not saying that there wasn't room for improvement, but it was great to finally get a spider-man who actually develops and who is paired up with a character instead of a sexy lamp. In any case, I'll hold this version of Spider-man close to my heart. But I'll also be open to a new one, which might be even better.

As long as certain hereos are fugitives, the fight is not really over...let's put it this way: in Civil War everything will blow up, Infinity War 1 is the point at which they go back to the status quo.