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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26226: Feb 9th 2015 at 11:03:15 PM

[up][up] I think Janice Lincoln would be a pretty neat addition to the MCU, too.

One of HYDRA's lawyers, negotiating deals between them and other criminal organizations, daughter of a supervillain, decides to become a mercenary in an armored* suit because why the hell not? The MCU could use more supervillains who are just plain mercenaries and/or career criminals.

(*) Armored being relative, in this case.

edited 9th Feb '15 11:05:45 PM by KnownUnknown

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#26227: Feb 9th 2015 at 11:04:13 PM

Well DC is working on a Suicide Squad film, assuming any of its later films don't blow up in their face.

They'd be better at making a film and tv shared universe. They'd already had the ground with 3 shows on the CW (though the Superman one wasn't connected to the others), plus potential in Gotham (which I hear has worn out its welcome?) on FOX.

Of course, then that'd turn the CW into even more of the "superheroes and vampires" network than it is.

[down]Oh, I don't mind. I'm actually happy with it, except that as a Supernatural fan, I feel that it has run its course, and have never really felt like getting into a comic book live action series.

edited 9th Feb '15 11:39:43 PM by wanderlustwarrior

Wackd Since: May, 2009
#26228: Feb 9th 2015 at 11:09:45 PM

The CW seems pretty okay with where it is now, and I have a bizarre amount of respect for that.

Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26229: Feb 9th 2015 at 11:18:05 PM

The Wallstreet Journal claims Sinister Six is still in production but obviously no longer for next year.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26230: Feb 10th 2015 at 12:29:34 AM

I am sad about the prospect that there will never be a proper conclusion to the Amazing Spider-man. I would have prefered this news to come a few years down the line.

On the upsite, though, I look forward to a teenaged Spider-man...that's what Marvel wanted, right? And I bet they are already looking for an actor who is as young as possible, so that he can play the role for a couple of years.

What really worries me about the news is that Sony has the final creative control over the movie. I really hope that they listen to Marvel.

And Fox can keep the X-men. While I am still surprised that Dof P was declared an awesome movie just because it had one impressive scene, I like my MCU mutant free for now. But I don't think we have to worry about that. As I said multiple times, there is a big difference Sony and Fox and their relationship to Marvel/Disney.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#26231: Feb 10th 2015 at 1:54:29 AM

"Sony Pictures and Marvel Studios share a love for the characters in the Spider-Man universe and have a long, successful history of working together. This new level of collaboration is the perfect way to take Peter Parker's story into the future," added Doug Belgrad, president, Sony Pictures Entertainment Motion Picture Group.
So it will still be Peter.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26232: Feb 10th 2015 at 2:06:15 AM

Well, naturally. That's who the general audience knows. If I had an interest in making Mike Morales (or however he is called) more mainstream, I would start with an animated series featuring him, testing the waters, not with a movie which will make everyone wonder "what happen to Peter Parker?"

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26233: Feb 10th 2015 at 3:55:52 AM

I have been thinking about how they deal with the unmasking scene from Civil War...I mean, it is such a core scene I would be surprised if the don't reference it somehow. So how about Peter agreeing to unmask but then chaning his mind in the very last minute? I am normally all for putting away with secret identities, because they tend to be very pointless, but in Spider-man's case, I see a lot of valid reasons for it.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
Mukora Uniocular from a place Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: I made a point to burn all of the photographs
Uniocular
#26235: Feb 10th 2015 at 6:08:11 AM

I am far more excited about Spider-Man in the MCU than I should be.

I dunno. He's always been my favourite character. Even if he is overrated.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#26237: Feb 10th 2015 at 6:18:29 AM

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I was rather fond of the Amazing Spider-man series and wanted to see where it's going. I was also really happy with the current MCU line up and looking forward to Black Panther Franchise being established before Infinity War 1 and the Inhumans being established before Infinity War 2, I also think this will have a negative affect on the Defender's Show I was so eagerly looking forward to because it means they suddenly have a lot less creative control over New York City in the MCU, I also don't think Spidey adds anything new to the MCU that couldn't have been found else where.

I am genuinely happy though that Norman Osborn is now fair game; Dark Reign is my favourite Avengers storyline, but I'm not sure how we're going to go about establishing him yet again.

Unmasking a fresh Spidey in Civil War doesn't make much sense to me as we'd have little investment in this iteration of the character; not knowing what their cast of supporting characters are like.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26238: Feb 10th 2015 at 6:58:30 AM

I still think that the Civil War will start in CA 3, not end there. I actually expect it to end in Infinity War 1, when a common enemy will force the heroes to work through their differences. Which means that there is a lot of time to establish Spider-man.

What worries me the most is the level of creative control Marvel doesn't have. I guess Sony will have to work with them and allow them first say in the design of New York, though.

Lionheart0 Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: I'm just a hunk-a, hunk-a burnin' love
#26239: Feb 10th 2015 at 7:02:57 AM

With this recent news, can we please get a Daily Bugle series on Netflix? It writes itself.

edited 10th Feb '15 7:03:09 AM by Lionheart0

MiscellaneousSoup (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26240: Feb 10th 2015 at 7:06:25 AM

My thoughts: I've liked all five Spider-Man movies. I'll be sad to see the TASM franchise end and I would have liked to see the spinoffs. Even so, I'm excited to see how he'll interact with the characters. But, and this is the most important part, get Squirrel Girl and Khamala Khan into the movies!! Preferably a buddy cop movie.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26241: Feb 10th 2015 at 7:09:04 AM

Let's put it this way: The longer the MCU stays succesful and the longer it keeps going without a reboot, the higher is the chance that one of those replacement characters for the original heroes will get a shot at the limelight, and that less known heroes will rise.

MiscellaneousSoup (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#26242: Feb 10th 2015 at 7:12:55 AM

@Swan: In that case, Ambush Bug will definitely get a movie! Come on, DC! Make your version of Deadpool! Yeah, that's definitely going to happen. -goes off to cry-

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#26243: Feb 10th 2015 at 7:21:32 AM

Thematically Spider-man would make a lot more sense in the Defenders series, though budget wise that's not practical; though he can cameo heavily and his rouges gallery could really benefit from the format of the TV series; Norman Osborn especially who's tangled plots of manipulation work well in serialised story.

It occurs to me that you can do spiderman on a TV budget, if you never show him outside a building. Is the web slinging that is CGI intensive.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#26244: Feb 10th 2015 at 7:27:05 AM

wander: The difference between Sinister Six and Suicide Squad is that one is a villain team, and the other is a team primarily made up of villains. As prominent as Harley and Deadshot are, the leader of the team is still Rick Flag.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26245: Feb 10th 2015 at 7:34:24 AM

Well, the deal will make it certainly easier for Marvel to access Spider-man's extensive Rogue Gallerie...not that they couldn't beforehand for the TV shows, but think about the possibilities. They could give Venom a better origin story, letting him turn up briefly in Got G as some sort of teaser (who knows what else the collector has horded), and then let him turn up as main villain in a Spider-man movie. They can establish Oscorp as business rival of Tony Stark (one to take seriously). And there will finally a Daily Bugle in the MCU, annoying characters in all TV-shows with badly done articles.

edited 10th Feb '15 7:35:54 AM by Swanpride

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#26246: Feb 10th 2015 at 7:55:27 AM

With Inhumans pushed after Infinity War Part 2 by the release date shuffle, I wonder how that's going to impact the story of Infinity War. I've been working under the assumption that the Inhumans movie would be the first time we'd meet the royal family and see Attilan in all it's glory. But with it being pushed after Infinity War Part 2, I wonder if that's still the case. With some of the underlying concepts of the Inhumans potentially being introduced in Age of Ultron, there should be enough buildup in other movies even excluding what's happening on Agents of SHIELD.

If I had to guess, the Inhumans movie will be an adaptation of the Inhumanity event, which in the comics was indeed a result of the fallout from Infinity. This will then change the context of the movies going in to phase 4 as it will mean that superpowered individuals will become commonplace.

As for Spider-man, it'll be interesting to see how he's tied into the MCU. At this point I'd be surprised if he has anything other then a minor role in Civil War and he might not even have his powers yet. Bringing in the whole unmasking thing would be problematic since they'd have to establish both who this guy is and why him unmasking himself is a big deal within a movie that is supposed to be mostly about Captain America and Iron Man.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#26247: Feb 10th 2015 at 8:15:05 AM

You don't have to establish who Spider-Man is. He's one of the most recognizable superheroes in the world. If there's any character Marvel can rely on the audience recognizing without having to say anything, it's Spider-Man.

It's not that hard for Tony to be looking at a feed of various new/street-level heroes, and say something along the lines of "This guy — calls himself Spider-Man — he's got Avenger potential." Ta-da. Character set up.

As for how Inhumans moving after Infinity War affects the storyline, I'm guessing "not much" or they wouldn't do it. Inhumans, like Guardians, seems like it would be mostly disconnected from the rest of the MCU, especially since it's their first movie. Captain Marvel is a lone hero, based on Earth, so setting her up in her own movie leading into a big role in Infinity War Part 2 makes sense. Even if her movie doesn't do well, it's not that hard to go over the basics in one movie for her. With the Inhumans, that's a lot of characters to introduce at once when you're already dealing with all the other Avengers and Thanos.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#26248: Feb 10th 2015 at 8:15:50 AM

You know if he wasn't currently committed to being the Flash I'd support Grant Gustin as Peter Parker.

edited 10th Feb '15 8:16:23 AM by Kostya

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#26249: Feb 10th 2015 at 8:21:34 AM

...How have I never thought of that?

GethKnight Since: Apr, 2010
#26250: Feb 10th 2015 at 8:24:54 AM

I don't see it. He's too much Flash in my head.


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