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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#26201: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:04:05 PM

I wonder how many pages this thread's going to gain as I sleep.

You know they're going to try their damnest to keep the reveal of who is playing Spidey under wraps until he can be unmasked in Captain America Civil War. Doubt it'll happen, though. Maybe they'll just settle for doing the reveal in a trailer.

edited 9th Feb '15 10:05:16 PM by wanderlustwarrior

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#26202: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:05:41 PM

It's too bad that they're going with movies. I think Spidey would fit in well in the Netflix shows, since he's more street level than the Avengers tend to be (he battles the mob about as much as he battles robots and mad scientists).

If they're gonna put him on a team, I'd rather them put him on the Defenders than the Avengers.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#26203: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:06:34 PM

Badwolf: Then someone should update the Amazing Spiderman page. It says Venom is still being made.

Personally I'd prefer it if they just retconned the Amazing movies into the MCU rather than reboot the entire thing again. We just went through this shit two years ago.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26204: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:08:07 PM

[up][up]Spider-Man would be tough to do on a CGI budget. People have gotten used to wild CGI stunts you can't recreate on a TV budget.

Heck it seems like a lot of the Netflix heroes were chosen because they're all very easy to film.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#26205: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:08:23 PM

[up][up] The reboot was probably Sony's idea, tbh. >.>

edited 9th Feb '15 10:08:39 PM by deathpigeon

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#26206: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:08:40 PM

Phase 3's release dates are moving. Spider-Man 3.0 will now be taking what was Thor: Ragnarok's spot, so all the other MCU films are moving down a spot. The exceptions are the Avengers: Infinity War films, which keep their old release dates, but as consequence Inhumans, not Infinity War, Part II, will be the last film of Phase 3.

edited 9th Feb '15 10:10:08 PM by Tuckerscreator

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26207: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:11:51 PM

The Sony leaks mentioned them already wanting to introduce a new Spider-Man in Sinister Six as a "soft reboot".

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#26208: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:12:22 PM

Why are they moving things? Sony is making this movie so it's not like Marvel needs to reallocate resources.

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
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#26209: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:14:39 PM

I'm... Actually kind of conflicted.

On one hand I'm happy. Spider man is awesome and deserves good movies. Seeing him on the big screen again in a film I want to see is great.

On the other hand... Well, I kinda wanted some curveballs thrown at me. Marvel propping up the Inhumans as X-men stand-ins is a neat idea I want to see pan out. And doing the same thing with Spider-Man could have been cool. Plenty of more obscure characters out there could have gotten a cool limelight placed on them because they couldn't use Spider-man.

Basically this just makes everything a bit more predictable. And that's a bit of a shame.

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#26210: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:15:02 PM

Keeping from inundating the market I guess?

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26211: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:15:26 PM

[up][up][up]They don't want Thor 3 potentially hurting Spider-Man's box office, or vice versa.

edited 9th Feb '15 10:17:14 PM by comicwriter

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#26212: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:15:29 PM

Oh my god, people aren't reading the thread.

Venom/Carnage was cancelled months ago. Don't know why the page says it's still being made.

The shift is happening because Marvel doesn't want to compete with Sony anymore, and Thor isn't a strong enough franchise to be Marvel's summer tentpole. Thor gets bumped to November, so that dominoes the rest of the movies down the line.

None of it is worth getting worked up over.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#26213: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:17:39 PM

Actually our page gives the impression that the Amazing series will continue alongside the MCU. We should probably fix that.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#26214: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:18:46 PM

Apparently, people aren't reading the article on Marvel's site, either. It's pretty clear that it's a new Spider-Man. In that they literally use those words.

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#26215: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:40:34 PM

Wonder if Donald Glover will get to play him this time?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26217: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:42:42 PM

The funniest thing is, one of the first things I thought of was a hypothetical situation where Captain America fights Doctor Octopus. Simply because of all of Spidey's rogues fighting other heroes, that's a fight I really think would look awesome.

Since they're introducing an already active Spidey, though not the ASM Spidey of course, that means he could also contribute already active supervillains to the verse as well - which, since Spidey supervillains are mostly in a certain niche I think the MCU could benefit from, should be pretty sweet.

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#26218: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:46:24 PM

Huh.

There is one really good villain to be had here...
Norman Osborn.

Also, as for characters I don't have to worry as much about now, Spider Woman and Cloak and Dagger. But all three are a huge stretch.

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#26220: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:47:39 PM

Spidey news: I'm still holding to my worry that I always had, that Spidey going to the MCU would be because Sony's solo films aren't doing as well because people are getting tired of him and I don't think yet another reboot would help things. Going with Miles could fix that, I think, but if/since we're still getting Parker I don't have high expectations.

Though if it does go well and they want something for the Avengers after Infinity War it opens up the Ends Of The Earth storyline, which has plenty of things that would look cool adapted to film.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#26221: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:51:00 PM

Sony's solo films weren't doing well because they kinda sucked. Amazing Spider-Man 1 did fine, considering it came off the back of Spider-Man 3, which was largely hated, even among non-comic fans. ASM2 was more interested in setting up Sinister Six than anything else, and so it ended up being a bad movie when taken on its own. And Sinister Six was always a terrible idea.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26222: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:54:38 PM

I thought the idea had potential in a Dirty Dozen type of way. The problem was they were hinging it on Harry Osborn who they'd already established as a Complete Monster.

You can make the audience root for villains and antiheroes but they have to evoke some amount of sympathy.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#26223: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:55:59 PM

I dunno, I think Sinister Six was a pretty awesome idea if done right, but in all likelihood it wouldn't have been done right with the way Sony was making/planning its movies.

I figure a supervillain-flavored heist movie (a la Ocean's Eleven, which is a good thing to look at for dealing with a lot of characters), or a supervillain-flavored crime/sting movie, is one of those untapped genres that Marvel or Sony should really look into, because a good one would be both genre-busting and awesome - and which Sony is in a better position to do because the Masters of Evil and/or the Thunderbolts aren't really like that.

edited 9th Feb '15 10:56:42 PM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26224: Feb 9th 2015 at 10:58:10 PM

I actually think the Superior Foes of Spider-Man would be a better fit for a movie because the whole parody premise is kind of unique. It's about slumming Z-list supervillains and doesn't take itself too seriously.

ShirowShirow Dinosaur Hunter from Land of Maple Syrup (Old as dirt)
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#26225: Feb 9th 2015 at 11:02:57 PM

"Supervillain heist movie" sounds like a surefire three-word pitch, actually..

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