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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26076: Feb 9th 2015 at 1:25:54 PM

Marvel would be crazy to get rid off their most popular villain.

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#26077: Feb 9th 2015 at 1:26:43 PM

Almost as crazy as getting rid of their most popular hero.

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#26078: Feb 9th 2015 at 1:30:01 PM

That would be Iron Man, right?

I think we kind of know that Cap will be killed off, right? Because Chris Evans didn't really want to sign on for more movies whereas the actors for Bucky and Sam did.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#26079: Feb 9th 2015 at 1:34:21 PM

Loki's an excellent, nuanced character, the fundamental issue is that some people (such as myself) prefer to think of him as a good person who descended into villainy and should stay there, while some other people think he's got a shot at redemption or think he's not evil at all.

The other major issue is that some people (such as myself) feel that the character's being overused to a blatant extent and overstaying his welcome.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26081: Feb 9th 2015 at 1:38:26 PM

[up]He was in three movies. That is hardly overstaying his welcome. Peggy Carter turns up in more often than he does.

And there are methods to give captain america a break without outright killing him. Iron man could simply go into retirement.

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#26082: Feb 9th 2015 at 1:43:22 PM

The only redemption I want to see for Loki is an adaptation of the Kid Loki storyline.

And I desperately want that. Maybe when Hiddleston gets bored of the character.

edited 9th Feb '15 1:43:33 PM by TobiasDrake

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#26083: Feb 9th 2015 at 1:46:50 PM

Who'd make a good young Lo-OH MY GOOOOOOOOD

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26084: Feb 9th 2015 at 1:57:57 PM

[up] Too old. Plus, the actor is tired of getting hated by the world.

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#26085: Feb 9th 2015 at 1:59:50 PM

Given that adult Loki still has at least 4 more years left to him, the person who would make a good Kid Loki is probably way too young to play Kid Loki right now.

As unbelievable as Dawson Casting already is, it's a lot harder to Dawson Cast adolescents than teens.

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#26086: Feb 9th 2015 at 1:59:56 PM

@Swanpride Peggy appeared in one film, one short film, had a bit part in Winter Soldier, will have a bit part in Ant Man, and a miniseries. It's not that big when you think about it, her only sizeable screentime came in First Avenger and Agent Carter. She also has (arguably, YMMV) a lot more of a character arc to explore than Loki's, who ran its course by the end of the Dark World (as a matter of fact if he died at the end of the film instead of usurping Odin's throne it'd be a decent ending for him). The real issue is when he's the main villain in three different films, and will play large roles in three more.

edited 9th Feb '15 2:00:16 PM by Gaon

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#26087: Feb 9th 2015 at 2:01:16 PM

Each episode of Agent Carter is an hour long. A film is 2. Two episodes of Agent Carter is equivalent to one movie Loki has been in, and that's before taking into account that, as the lead protagonist of the series, Carter has a lot more screentime per installment than Loki does.

Despite the fact that their relative respect is inverted, television is a vastly greater role than film.

edited 9th Feb '15 2:02:02 PM by TobiasDrake

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#26088: Feb 9th 2015 at 2:01:49 PM

[up][up]This has been often discussed here, but a lot of that has to do with the fact that the films tend to kill off their villains and Loki is one of the few exceptions. I mean like in the comics Staine is a recurring villain but he was killed in the very first Iron Man film.

edited 9th Feb '15 2:02:03 PM by Hodor2

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26089: Feb 9th 2015 at 2:04:10 PM

We don't know how large Loki's roles will be. Well, I expect him to have a large one in Thor 3, as he should, but otherwise? You can just as well complain that Tony keeps turning up, or that Nick Fury is still around.

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#26090: Feb 9th 2015 at 2:05:33 PM

Plus, the actor is tired of getting hated by the world.

Well, being "tired of getting hated by the world" is kid Loki whole character arc...

But, yeah, too old.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#26092: Feb 9th 2015 at 4:10:13 PM

[up][up][up] Like I said, different purposes. The catch is Loki's purpose (in a few person's eyes) has already been fulfilled and he's just dragging the whole damn thing along.

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#26093: Feb 9th 2015 at 4:29:32 PM

I liked Nick Fury before they decided to turn him into an asshole.

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#26094: Feb 9th 2015 at 4:38:25 PM

He's always been kind of an asshole though

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HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
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#26095: Feb 9th 2015 at 4:39:09 PM

Not to the degree they play him in the movies.

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#26096: Feb 9th 2015 at 4:40:00 PM

He's really not that bad in the films.

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#26097: Feb 9th 2015 at 4:41:00 PM

Shiiiiit, if you think movie Fury's an asshole, wait till you meet Ultimate Nick Fury.

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#26099: Feb 9th 2015 at 5:07:29 PM

So I managed to watch the first episode of Agent Carter yesterday.

Wow. Just wow. surprised

It's really not afraid to poke into Sci-Fi territory when it wants to, does it? That bomb thing...just wow.

When they mentioned Leviathan, is that an alternate name for HYDRA or is it something else?

And the way Jarvis and Peggy talked in those diner scenes (talking to each other without facing each other), was that normal spy behavior in the 40's?

In case it wasn't obvious, I'm hooked. grin

edited 9th Feb '15 5:11:49 PM by TargetmasterJoe

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#26100: Feb 9th 2015 at 5:08:34 PM

Not really a spoiler I don't think, but Leviathan is basically Communist!HYDRA.


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