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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

spashthebandragon thebandragoness from USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
thebandragoness
#26001: Feb 8th 2015 at 7:22:27 AM

I get the impression those guys had absolutely no idea what they were talking about. I mean, one of them kept mentioning that he'd never even seen the movies.

I've got fanfics for Frozen, Spectacular Spider-Man, Crash Bandicoot, and Spyro the Dragon.
GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#26003: Feb 8th 2015 at 7:32:21 AM

...anyone seen Unbroken? How's the direction?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26004: Feb 8th 2015 at 7:32:28 AM

To be honest...I think the writer is more important than the director. Even a good director can't do much with a weak script, and even a weak director can look good with a strong script. Marvel should concentrate on the script first and foremost.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#26005: Feb 8th 2015 at 7:34:46 AM

Eh... I'd say it's the opposite. A good Director can make a good movie with bad actors and a bad script, but a bad director can ruin a great script and great actors.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26006: Feb 8th 2015 at 8:56:16 AM

[up]Yeah, the exact opposite. There've been movies with bad scripts saved by the directors. I know people often point to Blade Runner as having some silly, nonsensical dialogue that was saved by the direction and the actors choosing to come up with their own lines instead. The famous "Tears in the Rain" speech was something the actor came up with when they realized the written speech sounded dumb as hell.

Ava DuVernay would be interested in directing a Marvel movie.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26007: Feb 8th 2015 at 9:35:06 AM

What do you think? Do Marvel’s PG-13 heroes need to get laid, pronto?

What a shitty way to cap off an article

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26008: Feb 8th 2015 at 11:40:30 AM

[up][up]Most directors are not so ballsy that they totally ignore the script.

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#26009: Feb 8th 2015 at 11:53:43 AM

Well no, not every director is Ridley Scott. But bad direction is enough to wreck a movie that has an otherwise good script and good cast. Because ultimately, it's the director's decision what is done with those elements, and if they don't know how to use them to their fullest, the movie is going to suffer.

In comparison, a great director can take a bad script, find something of worth in it, and turn in a movie that's at least watchable.

In the case of the MCU, choosing the director is more important. Marvel has a rigorous in-house process for selecting scripts. Once the script is in a director's hands, though, they have significantly less control over a movie than they do in earlier stages.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26010: Feb 8th 2015 at 12:01:08 PM

[up] That's actually a really good argument.

Either way, it will take ages until the decision is made. One thing is for certain, I don't care if the director Marvel picks is female, I care if he or she has a good history with directing and dealing with female characters.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#26011: Feb 8th 2015 at 12:04:01 PM

...

Hey, Marvel, wanna borrow Jennifer Lee off of Disney? grin

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26012: Feb 8th 2015 at 12:43:07 PM

Either way, it will take ages until the decision is made.

Probably not. I wouldn't be surprised if they find one within the next year or so.

I would not be surprised if they're shopping around potential directors already.

edited 8th Feb '15 12:43:52 PM by comicwriter

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#26013: Feb 8th 2015 at 1:19:20 PM

Which one is coming out first, Black Panther or Captain Marvel? Because they are still in the "throwing around ideas and seeing what sticks" part of script writing for BP judging by comments by Boseman(he's reading up on his character since he doesn't have a script yet and won't get one for a while but wants to see how the comic counterpart works and acts so he has something to work with).

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#26014: Feb 8th 2015 at 1:22:31 PM

Black Panther. Captain Marvel is sitting between the two parts of Infinity War with the Inhumans.

Note that Panther has been cast already because he's appearing in Civil War first.

edited 8th Feb '15 1:25:00 PM by BadWolf21

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#26015: Feb 8th 2015 at 1:27:11 PM

[up][up]

Black Panther is first by about 8 months. But even that isn't coming out until November of 2017, so they still got a lot of time to figure things out. If they still have no idea what they are going to do this time next year, then I might consider getting worried. Really the only reason the role has even been cast is because he's slated to appear in Civil War.

edited 8th Feb '15 1:28:21 PM by Falrinn

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26016: Feb 8th 2015 at 1:41:39 PM

On the list of movies it is pretty much on the bottom. The only movie lower is Inhumans. First comes Dr. Strange, Civil War, Got G 2, Ragnarok and Infinity War. We don't even know who will direct the latter two. So I don't expect a decision concerning Captain Marvel this year.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26017: Feb 8th 2015 at 1:42:37 PM

And I forgot Black Panther....yet another movie which is higher on the priority list.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26018: Feb 8th 2015 at 3:00:20 PM

[up][up][up]At the Phase 3 announcement they claimed Captain Marvel had been in the works as long as Doctor Strange and a year or so before that I remember them claiming there was a script for a Ms. Marvel movie (this was before Carol was Captain). EDIT It was mentioned here along with a hypothetical Blade reboot.

It's probably a victim of the other new Phase 3 heroes being seen as more of a priority.

edited 8th Feb '15 3:06:58 PM by comicwriter

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#26019: Feb 8th 2015 at 4:35:47 PM

[up]

With Captain Marvel at least part of the reason it's being made so far into Phase 3 could be that it narratively works best in between the two parts of Infinity War.

I like the idea of Infinity War Part 1 ending with a Pyrrhic victory on the part of the Avengers. Sure they won the day, but Thanos is coming to Earth very soon and they have no means to stop him when he does. Captain Marvel, who from my understanding is basically a god at full power, becomes at least part of those means.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#26020: Feb 8th 2015 at 4:40:43 PM

She has been tagged Earth's Mightiest Hero for what its worth.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#26021: Feb 8th 2015 at 4:50:12 PM

I guess comic companies want someone bearing their name to be powerful or highly hyped. At least, the latter is the case with Detective Comicsman.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#26022: Feb 8th 2015 at 4:53:31 PM

[up][up][up]That would be really interesting. And the Inhumans who are launching around the same time could come into play too.

edited 8th Feb '15 4:53:53 PM by comicwriter

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#26023: Feb 9th 2015 at 2:15:45 AM

Carol is pretty OP, yes. She's probably the best good hero from Earth much like her old friend Mar was the best good hero from the rest of the universe.

Sadly, Thanos is a bit more OP than Carol and most of the Avengers.(Hulk and Cap are already down)note 

edited 9th Feb '15 2:17:29 AM by LordofLore

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26024: Feb 9th 2015 at 2:24:31 AM

I hope they tone it down a little bit. Overly powerful beings are always problematic because they should be able to defeat more or less everyone. I already worry that they might have made Groot a little bit too powerful.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#26025: Feb 9th 2015 at 2:33:48 AM

Eh. He's flammable(Magus had counters for pretty much everyone), pretty slow, can't dodge most attacks and has no way to attack beyond his normal range without support.


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