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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#25751: Feb 3rd 2015 at 9:38:56 AM

So the thing that's heavily implied to be the Mind Gem grants a robot sentience? Makes sense.

edited 3rd Feb '15 9:39:45 AM by Kostya

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#25752: Feb 3rd 2015 at 10:18:58 AM

I don't mind teasers to the trailers. Gotta keep the hype train going choo choo

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#25753: Feb 3rd 2015 at 10:21:36 AM

I still don't want it to be the Mind Gem, given that that would mean that Thanos straight up lost an Infinity Stone, but whatever. I just hope that if it is, they explain why it it's blue.

edited 3rd Feb '15 10:21:47 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25754: Feb 3rd 2015 at 10:28:43 AM

@Lord Of Lore thanks for the link, I forgot about the Lego set.

GaryCXJk Wants Captain N for SSBU Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Wants Captain N for SSBU
#25755: Feb 3rd 2015 at 11:07:03 AM

Who says Thanos lost a gem? Maybe he planted it on Earth? To give it a sense of non-significance or whatever.

Signatures are for lamers.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25756: Feb 3rd 2015 at 11:17:59 AM

I think the big Oh, Crap! point in Phase 3 is going to be that we'll find out that even if he doesn't have them, Thanos now knows where the Stones are.

It doesn't take too much logical reasoning from him to assume one is with the Nova Corps, he likely knows the Cube is back with Asgard, one is on Earth, the other is with the Collector and then we'll see how the others shake out.

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#25757: Feb 3rd 2015 at 11:36:47 AM

[up][up] That would require for him to have intended failure in Avengers 1. "Despite all evidence to the contrary, my humiliating defeat at your hands was PART OF THE PLAN ALL ALONG!!!" is always bad Chessmaster writing.

I've said it before. I will say it again. If Loki's Staff actually is the Mind Gem itself and not a derivative thereof, then MCU Thanos is an utter moron unsuited to being the villain of the Myth Arc that the series is trying to sell him as.

edited 3rd Feb '15 11:37:59 AM by TobiasDrake

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#25758: Feb 3rd 2015 at 11:41:43 AM

Well, it can work, but the payoff usually needs to happen much faster than it has. Like if at the end of the first movie, the Other had told Thanos they lost the Mind Gem on Earth, he could have been like "Good." It would have worked as a cliffhanger. But now it would just feel like a retcon, whether it actually is one or not.

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25759: Feb 3rd 2015 at 11:54:33 AM

[up]I have a feeling it is a retcon. I could be wrong but I don't really think they had planned it out that far enough ahead.

Even with Thor: The Dark World the sudden reveal at the end that the Aether is an Infinity Gem felt kind of out of nowhere.

edited 3rd Feb '15 11:57:21 AM by comicwriter

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#25760: Feb 3rd 2015 at 11:54:51 AM

No, what I'm saying is, he counted on Loki's betrayal, but instead Loki lost.

EDIT: Or Thanos had the Time gem all along.

edited 3rd Feb '15 11:57:09 AM by GaryCXJk

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25761: Feb 3rd 2015 at 12:02:07 PM

[up]It's tough to say one way or another because even after GOTG we still know nothing about Thanos or his motivations.

Other than "He wants the stones."

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#25762: Feb 3rd 2015 at 12:04:59 PM

I think when Avengers was made they still weren't sure how well this team up concept would work. If it hadn't been as much of a success they probably would have just skipped the Guardians and Ultron and finished things off with Thanos in Avengers 2. When it proved to be a viable model they backtracked and started doing a proper buildup to Infinity War.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#25763: Feb 3rd 2015 at 12:08:45 PM

It's made pretty obvious in Avengers that, even if the Scepter does turn out to be the Mind Gem in Ultron, it wasn't initially that way.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#25764: Feb 3rd 2015 at 12:10:31 PM

Well I don't think the Cube was initially the space gem either. It seems like they had the idea but they didn't bother to work it into the script. That's probably because they didn't know if they were doing the full Infinity Quest plot or not.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25765: Feb 3rd 2015 at 12:12:12 PM

People have already mentioned the color issue, which leads me to think the mind gem idea was also a retcon. Someone just noticing "Oh hey we already gave Loki a cosmic weapon with a glowing blue gem that let him brainwash people in the last movie." "Well that makes our job a lot easier."

[up]Even the rhetoric around the Tesseract didn't give off the sense that it was part of a set. They repeatedly make it sound like once Thanos gets the Cube then his job is done and the universe is effectively conquered, not that he needs to then track down and recover several other artifacts.

edited 3rd Feb '15 12:13:20 PM by comicwriter

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#25766: Feb 3rd 2015 at 12:17:51 PM

Assuming Thanos has the same goal of wooing Death, maybe he wants as many of the Infinity Gems in guarded, highly populated places as possible?

After all, he's apparently one of the most feared beings in the universe. With even one Infinity Gem in his possession, he could probably storm Earth, Xandar, and Asgard with relative ease to get the rest, and butter Death up with a show of force/supply a bunch of newly dead people for her in one stroke?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#25767: Feb 3rd 2015 at 12:20:18 PM

That would require for him to have intended failure in Avengers 1. "Despite all evidence to the contrary, my humiliating defeat at your hands was PART OF THE PLAN ALL ALONG!!!" is always bad Chessmaster writing.

Well, I would think it less "That was the plan all along!" and more "This is Plan B". Whatever Plan B is.

[up][up] When did they ever present it that way for Thanos?

edited 3rd Feb '15 12:20:38 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25768: Feb 3rd 2015 at 12:28:40 PM

The opening narration. In hindsight you could claim it's more vague but literally one of the first lines of the movie is Thanos' lackey informing him that Loki is on his way to steal the Tesseract, and that "The world will be his, the universe yours." Not "You already have one so once Loki gets the Tesseract you only need four more."

edited 3rd Feb '15 12:29:07 PM by comicwriter

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#25769: Feb 3rd 2015 at 12:39:06 PM

Eh, maybe it's a just a general statement, or something like that. Maybe Thanos just really likes having his ego stroked.

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#25770: Feb 3rd 2015 at 12:40:56 PM

It's worth noting that Thanos wasn't originally in The Avengers to begin with. The Chitauri were on loan from Loki but the intial drafts had been be on loan from themselves, not from Thanos commanding them.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25771: Feb 3rd 2015 at 12:45:13 PM

[up]Interesting. I hadn't known that.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25773: Feb 3rd 2015 at 1:03:39 PM

Marvel just released a prequel comic about the Maximoffs just prior to The Winter Soldier. Nothing too major but interestingly when the scepter grants them powers, the doctors specifically refer to it "unlocking" abilities within them, as though they already possessed innate powers that were hidden...

edited 3rd Feb '15 1:09:07 PM by comicwriter

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#25775: Feb 3rd 2015 at 1:04:51 PM

[up][up] Cough, Inhumans, Cough

[nja]

edited 3rd Feb '15 1:05:05 PM by Hodor2


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