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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#25676: Feb 1st 2015 at 12:14:02 PM

Maybe they could bring in Union Jack instead, and having him be the grandson of James Montgomery Falsworth who appeared in The First Avenger.

TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#25677: Feb 1st 2015 at 12:15:07 PM

...I fell like someone did not do their research. Although Captain Britain is more on the "embodiment of his country" thing than America is; for a while, Britain's powers literally didn't work unless he was in Britain (or an alternate universe version - it seems like every universe with a Britain has a Captain for it, and they all hang out sometimes and are a corps for some reason). The marvel wiki article is quite good.

Yeah, he teamed up with Spider-Man and fought Arcade. This was significant as, prior to this time, Marvel UK comics didn't really seem to be canon to America's Marvel. He's an Avenger now (kinda) but he's basically guaranteed to turn up if somebody so much as mentions Britain.

S.T.R.I.K.E. (although they used that name for something else in Winter Soldier) or MI-13 would be quite good actually - see what other countries have been up to regarding supers.

edited 1st Feb '15 12:21:33 PM by TenebrousGaze

MisterNoh Troper formerly known as Nohbody from Somewhere in Dixie Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Mu
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#25678: Feb 1st 2015 at 12:49:50 PM

[Captain Britain] has the power of self-esteem

And bad teeth.

What? You know someone was thinking about posting something like that. tongue

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#25679: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:16:30 PM

Don't forget the powers of tea drinking and oppressing the Irish. tongue


No one panic, I'm Irish...

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#25680: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:20:40 PM

Next you'll be claiming he's constantly begging Steve Rogers to give him 20 bucks for tea and Rogers responds by throwing his tea in the bay!

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25681: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:21:06 PM

To be honest the whole concept of "Captain Britain" rubs me the wrong way. Captain America already can be problematic, but at least America is a country which was built on certain ideals. If America already fulfilled those ideals is another question, but at least in the MCU Captain America stands for those ideals, not for America itself. So what would Captain Britain stand for? Colonaism? The lost rights of Aristocrats? I would rather buy into a "Captain French Revolution" than a "Captain Britain".

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25682: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:25:21 PM

I'll say the argument about America is highly debatable and leave it at that. Neither country really has the moral high ground if we're talking about its founding and historical actions.

Maybe they could bring in Union Jack instead, and having him be the grandson of James Montgomery Falsworth who appeared in The First Avenger.

That's actually a good point since he is already basically Captain America's Transatlantic Equivalent.

edited 1st Feb '15 1:26:24 PM by comicwriter

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#25683: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:26:13 PM

I feel like a Captain Britain would work better if he was just King Arthur reborn in modern times or something.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#25684: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:30:30 PM

Honestly, I think Captain Britain's biggest contribution to Marvel is the fact that Psylocke's his sister.

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#25685: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:31:37 PM

lolwut

good gravy, she is

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#25687: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:36:14 PM

That was back when she was a British gentle-lady who wore elaborated dresses, instead of a Korean assassin in skimpy clothes.

edited 1st Feb '15 1:37:14 PM by Heatth

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#25688: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:36:39 PM

It involves a bodyswap. Psylocke's body is originally that of a Korean assassin. The mutant powers are all Betty Braddock's.

edited 1st Feb '15 1:37:03 PM by GeekCodeRed

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#25689: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:38:50 PM

[up] Nevermind that mutant powers are derived from a person's genetics (inside the body they were born in). Freaky brain powers can do anything!

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#25690: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:39:53 PM

She's the one who had psychic powers and refined them to make a psychic blade (?????) and then just started doing that all the time?

It involves a bodyswap. Psylocke's body is originally that of a Korean assassin. The mutant powers are all Betty Braddock's.

jfcoaps

Why didn't she just switch back?

edited 1st Feb '15 1:40:38 PM by Bocaj

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#25691: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:41:13 PM

Didn't she actually change her power-set during that whole thing also? From telepathy to telekinesis? It was just latter she regained her telepathy somehow. So, initially at last, her mutant powers did change when she traded bodies.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#25692: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:41:47 PM

Psychicness must be the most common mutation.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25693: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:53:54 PM

Like the concept of a reborn King Arthur as hero for Britain. Those would certainly be a set of ideals I could get behind.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25694: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:58:35 PM

[up][up]Conveniently it turned out Psylocke's original body had cancer and so the assassin in her old body died, leaving Psylocke stuck in the Asian one.

edited 1st Feb '15 2:04:20 PM by comicwriter

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#25695: Feb 1st 2015 at 2:04:06 PM

wooooooooooooooooooow.

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#25696: Feb 1st 2015 at 2:04:29 PM

Actually I wonder if Marvel might have partial rights to Psylocke since she originated outside the X-Men.

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#25697: Feb 1st 2015 at 2:08:40 PM

It kinda bothers me that Mockingbird and the Inhumans are in Agents of SHIELD. That means I'd have to watch that show if I wanted to see all of them.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#25698: Feb 1st 2015 at 2:09:32 PM

Marvel's insidious plan.

Or I guess just wait for the Inhumans movie. I very much doubt that AOS will be required watching to understand it.

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#25699: Feb 1st 2015 at 2:20:38 PM

And I reckon they probably thought Mockingbird was too similar to Black Widow for the films. Hell her introduction fight is a Shout-Out to Black Widow's fight from Iron Man 2.

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#25700: Feb 2nd 2015 at 9:05:12 AM

Captain Britain stands for the rich mythology of English folklore, being more focused on the magic of legend and literature than anything else. His powers are derived from his confidence; he is as strong as he thinks he is. If that sounds like a total f*cking cop-out for Strong as They Need to Be, that's because it totally is.

He's also a member of the Captain Britain Corps, a coalition of Captain Britains from every universe in the multiverse, united to defend the multiverse from cross-dimensional threats. And that is why introducing a Captain Britain to the MCU would not be a good idea at this time, because that's going to be a hard pill for a live-action audience to swallow.

edited 2nd Feb '15 9:05:55 AM by TobiasDrake

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