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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#25651: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:47:01 AM

[up] ...Well, that was disappointing.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#25652: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:49:23 AM

You're not even going to get into a stars and stripes tux, Cap?

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#25653: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:54:46 AM

So basically what that world is saying was Cap and Stark were both egotistical fuck-ups, but Registration was a good idea?

Also, I was really hoping that they didn't genderswap Stark for it, so I could make a joke about gay marriage solving everything.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25654: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:59:13 AM

Captain America: Civil Union.

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#25655: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:59:55 AM

So was I.

Still, they gender-swapped Stark by having him perform the Fusion Dance with Black Widow based on the name "Natasha Stark", so there's probably still a joke to be made in there by a comedian far more talented than me.

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#25656: Feb 1st 2015 at 10:03:06 AM

Yeah, I noticed that of all the female first names to use, they chose that one. Interesting choice there.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#25657: Feb 1st 2015 at 10:13:53 AM

My only real problem with the Civil War movie is that I feel like it should've been saved for a point where there were a lot more established characters, just for the premise to have more weight. We're getting a few more characters in between now and 2016, but the world of the MCU is still fairly shallow at this point.

That said, I'm assuming in light of that the Registration plot will be mostly preemptive rather than reactive - that, with the world becoming one of superheroes rather than (as in the comics) one that's been run by the fates of superheroes for years, the government is taking action. Especially with both Ultron and the Inhuman event waking people up in regards to that.

edited 1st Feb '15 10:16:05 AM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25658: Feb 1st 2015 at 10:38:34 AM

RDJ just suggested very recently that the major issue is the amount of collateral damage that the Avengers cause across the globe in Age of Ultron.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25659: Feb 1st 2015 at 10:39:21 AM

[up][up] On the other hand, if there are too many, it might be impossible to coordinate all of them. It might be better to do it now. Provided that nobody dies, there are currently eight heros running around, and by the time Civil war happens, at least three more (Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch and Vision) should be added to the list. And that is not counting characters like Maria Hills aso. Then there is the Winter Soldier, possible Ant-man, possible Dr. Strange, and whoever else they set up in the upcoming movies.

edited 1st Feb '15 10:39:38 AM by Swanpride

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25660: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:01:16 AM

[up][up][up]One thing I hadn't really thought about was the budgetary aspect. I'm actually wondering just how many people they're including in this one because too many characters could be a strain on both the casting and SFX budget (which is at least part of the reason I'm still sure Thor and Hulk don't appear).

Discounting those two you've still got Cap, Iron Man, Black Widow, Falcon, Black Panther, Winter Soldier, and Baron Zemo confirmed, with Nick Fury, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, War Machine, Sharon Carter, Maria Hill, and Vision as distinct possibilities too. That's a lot of people and powers to squeeze in and render, not to mention write.

edited 1st Feb '15 11:04:55 AM by comicwriter

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#25661: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:02:29 AM

[up][up] Not necessarily. Remember that for a plot like this, the vast majority of characters will mostly be extensions of the actions of very few.

The point isn't to have a lot of characters who can star in the movie, it's to have the universe be at a certain point where a "superhero civil war" has meaningful consequences, since there are only like a handful of people who would even be effected by such a thing at this point.

edited 1st Feb '15 11:04:30 AM by KnownUnknown

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25662: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:06:35 AM

I actually think if they're smart they'll use this as an opportunity to try and explore the idea that the superhero community is bigger than just the 9 Avengers. We already know of Daredevil and then Jessica Jones (who would have to have been active as a heroine at some point) and it's possible other countries have their own superhumans.

Or if not after Age of Ultron they begin to try to actively raise up their own superhumans since they blame the Avengers for causing the whole mess.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#25663: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:14:02 AM

Agents of Shield already established that there are people with superpowers outside the main movie cast.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25664: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:14:19 AM

I also believe that Civil war will have impact on the TV shows...and there we have Mockingbird, Quake, Daredevil aso who are affected by it.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#25665: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:20:31 AM

If we extend our definition of superhero to include known Badass Normals then so far we have:

  1. Iron Man
  2. Iron Patriot
  3. The Hulk
  4. Thor
  5. Captain America
  6. The Winter Soldier
  7. Falcon
  8. Black Widow
  9. Hawkeye
  10. Quicksilver
  11. Scarlet Witch
  12. Vision
  13. Maria Hill
  14. Nick Fury
  15. Ant Man
  16. Quake
  17. Mockingbird
  18. Daredevil
  19. Jessica Jones
  20. Iron Fist
  21. Luke Cage
  22. Black Panther

And those are just the people that are confirmed to premiere before or during the movie. There have been other people on Agents of Shield and with the introduction of the Inhumans and people like Scorch, Blizzard, and Deathlok running around it's clear that superheroes are popping up left and right now.

edited 1st Feb '15 11:21:51 AM by Kostya

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#25666: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:20:52 AM

[up][up][up] Not very well, however. It's mentioned, and one such person is a oneshot in the first season, but it's only very recently that the idea of there being people with superhumans is actually being explored.

But yeah, especially with the Inhumans thing happening in that show atm, I feel like if they do it right Ao S should be their first step towards a wider universe.

They should probably start with referencing its events in the films, of course.

[up] It's worth noting that everyone related to Coulson's team is relatively unknown to the public and, if they are, are regarded as spies rather than in the same way Iron Man is or, even, Black Widow and Hawkeye are. The characters keeping a lid on the super situation, as well as the writers not really exploring it too much until recently, has really downplayed how meaningful the events in that show are to the universe as a whole.

Agents Of SHIELD has been pretty diligent in regards to keeping it's Badass Normals as within the scope of the characters as possible. Mockingbird, for instance, is established as a skilled SHIELD agent. Not a superhero.

edited 1st Feb '15 11:26:49 AM by KnownUnknown

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#25668: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:31:11 AM

Did he? I forgot all about that. That episode still made it clear that Scorch isn't the only guy that just randomly has powers.

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#25669: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:42:50 AM

I believe there were somewhere in the area of 50+ metahumans on the list back when S.H.I.E.L.D. was keeping metahumans under protection.

All of whom are now free to do whatever they want and also completely unprotected from those who would exploit them.

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#25670: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:48:52 AM

I wonder if they could spin someone like Captain Britain out of all of this.

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#25671: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:53:26 AM

It's quite possible but I don't really see how he could fit in at this point - Marvel UK really takes magic for granted, so would either have to be significantly changed (and please, nothing like Ultimate Captain Britain, he was awful) or introduced in an already magical context. Although I suppose someone like, say, Spitfire, might be alright.

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#25672: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:53:39 AM

He has the power of self-esteem

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TenebrousGaze Dark Eye from A Shaded Face Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#25673: Feb 1st 2015 at 11:58:11 AM

Well, no. He has pretty typical flying brick powers which depend on courage except he's had some kinda awful writers so his powers have become more ill-defined. The UK characters are much more interesting as a group anyway.

What I really want is Excalibur (Faiza, not the team), but that requires yet another set of legends to be deemed true, which might be too far given that Asgadians are very alien in the MCU.

edited 1st Feb '15 12:03:06 PM by TenebrousGaze

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#25674: Feb 1st 2015 at 12:08:11 PM

I need to look into Captain Britian. All I know of him is that he's steeped in magic and in the Lego Marvel Superheroes game, he fires energy beams... Union Jack energy beams. And his psychic aura to sense things? Also Union Jack coloured. When he flies the energy he trails behind him is the Union Jack. Not even Captain America is that patriotic.

edited 1st Feb '15 12:09:29 PM by MousaThe14

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#25675: Feb 1st 2015 at 12:11:58 PM

He was in the AVX Secret Avengers tie in wherein he had a crisis of confidance or something. A younger, douchier version of him was in Avengers Arean boo hiss. And he's in the Not-Illuminati New Avengers but he's just sorta been there so far.

So yeah, I don't really know him either. Was he in a crossover with Spider-Man against Arcade or somthing? I vaguely recall something like that.

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