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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#25626: Jan 31st 2015 at 5:04:19 PM

I bet Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's real dad is......I dunno, Cable. tongue

MadSkillz Destroyer of Worlds Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: I only want you gone
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#25627: Jan 31st 2015 at 5:09:21 PM

And Cable's real dad and mom are Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#25628: Jan 31st 2015 at 6:00:57 PM

Their father is Quicksilver and their mother is Scarlet Witch. Not only did the progenate themselves via time travel, it was incestuous.

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#25629: Feb 1st 2015 at 12:08:47 AM

[up] It's "—All You Zombies—" all over again! Or perhaps some sort of double-Fry.

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#25630: Feb 1st 2015 at 1:55:59 AM

Are they really doing the Civil War storyline? I mean, I hear it's the stupidest, worst-written, most contested Marvel storyline ever.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25631: Feb 1st 2015 at 2:11:35 AM

[up]Doesn't make it a bad idea. I am sure they do it better this time around.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#25632: Feb 1st 2015 at 2:26:24 AM

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The comic may of had it's problems, but the basic premise: A movie where established superheroes are fighting each other over a sincere ideological divide (as opposed to a misunderstanding or one side being mind controlled), is a really interesting one.

From my understanding the big problem the comic series had was by the end it became almost impossible to justify the actions of the pro-registration side. The MCU is it's own thing and therefore isn't beholden to follow the comic series in Tony Stark's more controversial actions.

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#25633: Feb 1st 2015 at 6:32:29 AM

[up][up][up]That is far from the truth. For starter, to be the stupidest Marvel storyline ever it would have to beat the Clone Saga, and nothing beat the Clone Saga in a stupidity contest.

Also, a lot of people really liked Civil War. Particularly more casual fans who couldn't spot the most glaring flaws in characterization. Furthermore, the main event itself wasn't that terrible. What really ruined it was all the tie ins that contradicted each other and pretty much ruined the central theme.

And at ay rate, the main problem with the story was execution, not premise. Even among its detractors, a lot of people like the premise itself. So it is nothing weird to adapt it into the movie.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#25634: Feb 1st 2015 at 7:35:16 AM

I will always hate Civil War for pretty much killing off one of my favorite teams(the New Warriors)to start the larger conflict.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25635: Feb 1st 2015 at 7:52:35 AM

I always thought that this is the big advantage of the MCU: A more streamlined continuity than in the comics. While there are some minor contradictions already, everything just fits together way better. And as a result, the character development is more even. I think the character who made the biggest leaps is Steve. I also think that so far the Captain America Franchise is the strongest because of this. Mostly because the way his story is set-up, there is never the chance to revisit what was before. The Iron Man movies are a little bit formulatic. It's always about Tony messing up, having emotional problems and then pulling himself together just in time to prevent the worst, and there is a new invention of his somewhere along the line. With Captain America, I have no idea in which direction they will go, even with the Civil war subtitle.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25636: Feb 1st 2015 at 8:14:05 AM

[up][up][up][up]That's basically it. The biggest problem is that the entire series was marketed on the premise of being "Fair and balanced" and that either side could be seen as correct, except they had Iron Man and his buddies acting like a bunch of jackbooted fascists who used violence and intimidation to silence anyone who dared speak out against #1 Glorious Leader Tony Stark.

It was basically giving us the Rebel Alliance vs. Emperor Palpatine and the Empire, and then telling us that the Empire's stance is just as valid and defensible as that of the Rebels.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#25637: Feb 1st 2015 at 8:30:05 AM

Doesn't really matter for the MCU, since registration is almost certainly not going to be the issue.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25638: Feb 1st 2015 at 8:31:02 AM

But some kind of regulation will be. I guess.

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#25639: Feb 1st 2015 at 8:42:11 AM

Hell, we don't even know if Tony and Steve are going to be leaders of diametrically opposed factions. For all we know, Feige is there in the shadows going "let's really eff them up and their expectations."

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#25640: Feb 1st 2015 at 8:47:46 AM

Well, with Black Panther, Crossbones and rumors of Baron Zemo, I think we can expect some twists and turns.

edited 1st Feb '15 8:47:55 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#25641: Feb 1st 2015 at 8:48:20 AM

I mean, the last Captain America movie did just that: they called it "The Winter Soldier", we all though we knew what the plot would be, and then-

BOOM!

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25642: Feb 1st 2015 at 8:58:11 AM

I'm pretty sure they've confirmed at the least the crux is going to be Cap vs. Iron Man.

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#25643: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:12:28 AM

I'd say One More Day was worse than Clone Saga. The Clone Saga ran long but it only really got really bad when thye kept flip flopping on who was the clone. Also character assassination of Peter to an extent. And some dumb cyber stuff.

And somewhere between Clone Saga and One More Day in terms of dumb would be the Gathering of Five/Final Chapter, where an epic battle between Spider-Man and the Green Goblin destroys New York but its only a crazy insanity dream Norman is having.

And there are tons of stories that are dumber than Civil War, although also less well known.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25644: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:22:37 AM

Considering the way they staged the announcement, with Cap and Iron Man fighting over Black Panther, I think it is pretty safe to say that Civil War will be about them clashing. Thus said...I actually believe that "Civil War" will be more about setting Civil War, which will then the theme of the following movies.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#25645: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:23:57 AM

Cap and Iron Man fighting over Black Panther

Well, that produced quite an odd image.

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#25646: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:29:45 AM

Cap and Iron Man fighting over Black Panther

Now, now, there's no reason to fight, ladies. There's enough Black Panther for both of you.

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#25647: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:33:43 AM

Once you go black, you civilly debate Registration with tact.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#25648: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:35:57 AM

[up][up] Actually, this was kind of what I had in mind. Which is which is up for you to decide.

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deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#25649: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:43:27 AM

[up] Yeah, I was making my own joke.

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#25650: Feb 1st 2015 at 9:45:33 AM

I still find it funny that Civil War was averted on one Earth just because Cap and Stark were married on that world.


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