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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25501: Jan 29th 2015 at 2:53:35 PM

They might be worried about "Patsy" sounding dated. Like how in Arrow Black Canary's real name is Laurel because the writers felt nobody names their kid Dinah anymore.

edited 29th Jan '15 3:01:44 PM by comicwriter

BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#25502: Jan 29th 2015 at 3:24:16 PM

Laurel is her middle name. She just uses it way more than "Dinah" because yeah, Dinah sounds like an old lady name.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25503: Jan 29th 2015 at 3:31:31 PM

Is it just me or is Marvel currently doing a lot of "vergangenheitsbewältigung"? I mean The first Avenger was a very critical view on the propaganda tool their comics used to be, Iron Man 3 is basically taking a shot on "Feindbilder" and how characters like the Mandarin used to present things like "the yellow plague", Agent Carter is in a lot of ways a parallel to how female writers where pushed out of the comic book world after WWII and the characters they created with them....it's like Marvel took a very hard look at their history and is now acknowledging it.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#25504: Jan 29th 2015 at 3:34:12 PM

I will save everyone else the work by posting definitions for those words.

Vergangenheitsbewältigung: "struggling to come to terms with the past."

Feindbild: "Foe image".

DrFurball Since: Jan, 2001
#25505: Jan 29th 2015 at 3:49:15 PM

The Cosmic Cube, Thanos, and Hellcat...all we need now is Spider-Man and we have all the ingredients to bring the iconic Thanos-Copter story to the big screen!

jdj42 Since: Oct, 2012
#25506: Jan 29th 2015 at 4:17:03 PM

To go back to the Lego Avengers discussion, Traveller Tales's contract ends in 2016. This is most likely the last chance of getting a new Lego Marvel Superheroes game. Its a real shame. I was hoping that Spider-Gwen would be playable in the next game.

The world will look up and shout "Save us", and I'll look down and whisper "Too bad, Waluigi Time" Vote Loki 2016
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25507: Jan 29th 2015 at 4:21:23 PM

Marvel doing Deconstruction on the less than savory parts of their history is something I noticed. They did some of that in the comics too.

The Allies Forever series they did a few years ago had a subplot about addressing the racism that was present in a lot of Golden Age stories. And of course just yesterday we were talking about how in the 70's they took steps to retcon away the awful Commie Smasher Captain America stories.

edited 29th Jan '15 4:23:54 PM by comicwriter

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
CorrTerek The Permanently Confused from The Bland Line Since: Jul, 2009
The Permanently Confused
#25509: Jan 29th 2015 at 8:00:17 PM

I see Peggy still opts for the live-fire method of product testing.

higherbrainpattern Since: Apr, 2012
#25510: Jan 29th 2015 at 8:28:43 PM

Peggy Carter Is About To Shoot You.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#25511: Jan 29th 2015 at 8:32:39 PM

I'd like to see "Commie Smasher" show up in some form in Agent Carter, maybe as like a finale kind of thing- where some American soldier would be given a serum derived from Cap's blood and proceed to go increasingly jingoistic and crazy. Thinking it would either end with his being instiutionalized (with shades of MK Ultra), or else Peggy would have to put him down.

edited 29th Jan '15 8:33:06 PM by Hodor2

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#25512: Jan 29th 2015 at 8:54:25 PM

That guy had plastic surgery done on himself to look just like Steve Rogers. It'd be amusing if Chris Evans were to play him as a guest role, but acting blatantly unlike the real humble Captain.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Role Model
#25513: Jan 29th 2015 at 8:57:33 PM

Like when he did that in Thor 2?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#25514: Jan 29th 2015 at 9:16:30 PM

Kinda. Though that was for a quick cameo so it may be harder to schedule him for a full episode.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#25515: Jan 29th 2015 at 9:19:54 PM

Would there be a way of like CGI-ing his face and have it as The Reveal after a masked Cap has been going around creating havoc?

Or else, do the above, but the unmasked actor wearing make up so it looks like a bad attempt at plastic surgery to look like Cap.

In both cases, I imagine the actor not looking like Cap before undergoing the process.

edited 29th Jan '15 9:20:06 PM by Hodor2

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#25516: Jan 29th 2015 at 9:33:44 PM

CG would look sorta unconvincing, but I guess that's partly the point. Though in the comics Sharon Carter couldn't tell him apart from the real Steve, at first. Plastic surgery might have been advanced enough by then; the first sex change operation was just six years after the end of WWII.

It'd be amusing if he were also to recruit Jack Monroe as 50s Bucky, and Peggy would be like: "Who is this kid? Bucky was a grown adult!" An inaccurate perception thanks to the in-universe Captain America comics made in the MCU.

edited 29th Jan '15 9:34:11 PM by Tuckerscreator

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25517: Jan 29th 2015 at 11:37:20 PM

So, other than racism and anti-communism, what else is left to adress?

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#25518: Jan 29th 2015 at 11:45:02 PM

[up] Sexism? Homophobia? Where exactly do we need to address things, again?

Oh God! Natural light!
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25519: Jan 29th 2015 at 11:47:10 PM

[up] Look above...Marvel has done quite a bit adressing their sins of the past in the recent movies and shows. Nobody sais that they have to, but it is notable that they do, and I wonder if this will continue.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#25520: Jan 29th 2015 at 11:51:13 PM

[up] Right, thought so. Just wanted to be sure.

Well, they're certainly talking about sexism in Agent Carter. Perhaps they should use that setting to talk about other prejudices of the time.

Oh God! Natural light!
BadWolf21 Since: May, 2010
#25521: Jan 30th 2015 at 12:16:59 AM

Traveller Tales's contract ends in 2016.

Contracts get re-upped all the time. I doubt their original contract from 2005 was for 11 years. The Lego games are popular, and a diverse range of licenses benefit from their existence. There's no way anyone involved is going to let them die.

edited 30th Jan '15 12:17:20 AM by BadWolf21

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#25522: Jan 30th 2015 at 12:46:18 AM

Isn't "addressing the sins of the past" kinda what Disney is doing now, too? Their latest crop of movies have been about recapturing the charm of the past, while acknowledging that some of the messages have been a bit backwards.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25523: Jan 30th 2015 at 12:58:38 AM

[up] I doubt that Disney has much of a say in Marvel's creative process. That's normally not the company policy, which is why working with companies like Pixar aso works so well.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#25524: Jan 30th 2015 at 2:22:31 AM

I'd say it's less of a company policy and more of a shared vision. One would think there'd be some crossover in personnel, even if only on the executive level.

jdj42 Since: Oct, 2012
#25525: Jan 30th 2015 at 4:22:00 AM

[up][up][up][up] If the contract is renewed, I will throw a fucking party.

The world will look up and shout "Save us", and I'll look down and whisper "Too bad, Waluigi Time" Vote Loki 2016

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