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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#25201: Jan 25th 2015 at 9:36:22 AM

Doesn't he still have three movies on his contract? He's not going anywhere.

If he is going to die I expect Thanos to kill him at the climax of Avengers 3.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25202: Jan 25th 2015 at 9:39:15 AM

I'd also say I'm another one who thinks they're almost certainly gonna shelve Banner somehow to keep him out of Civil War since he and Thor would end the conflict way too quickly.

I'm actually wondering how they'll get rid of him.

deathpigeon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#25203: Jan 25th 2015 at 9:44:08 AM

Hopefully with another Hulk movie.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#25204: Jan 25th 2015 at 9:52:45 AM

He didn't die in Revenge of the Sith. The game shows that kicking him out of the window barely gives him pause and in the movie, Anakin didn't even leap after him. So Windu limps off to get a boss robot hand and he'll return in Episode 9 to tell Mara Jade about the Avengers Iniative.

edited 25th Jan '15 9:52:58 AM by Bocaj

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25205: Jan 25th 2015 at 10:25:31 AM

[up][up]Well they've confirmed their entire Phase 3 slate so unless they start work on a Hulk film like...yesterday there's no way it'd be out in time.

edited 25th Jan '15 11:54:11 AM by comicwriter

LordofLore Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Consider his love an honor
#25206: Jan 25th 2015 at 10:28:42 AM

Didn't they also say that Black Widow and Hulk aren't going to get their own movies for a while and that they will instead show up in other movies like Banner in IM 3 and Widow in Cap 2?

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#25207: Jan 25th 2015 at 11:51:29 AM

[up]

Phase 3 runs all the way until May of 2019, so any hypothetical Hulk or Black Widow solo films would arrive in July of 2019 at the absolute earliest. So yes, not for awhile.

Provided Scarlett Johansson is willing to continue with the role or she is still under contract for another movie after Infinity War, I would probably put Black Widow at the top of the list in terms of supporting characters getting their own spinoff in Phase 4. They apparently do have a script for a Black Widow solo movie, but for one reason or another decided not to push the project forward in Phase 3.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#25208: Jan 25th 2015 at 12:09:27 PM

How about Bruce starts on Tony's side, but after he starts to question things, Tony launches him into space?

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#25209: Jan 25th 2015 at 12:18:12 PM

I'm pretty sure that Batroc would jump at the chance to show up again.

GeekCodeRed Since: Sep, 2010
#25210: Jan 25th 2015 at 12:38:38 PM

[up][up] I think this movie is gonna work best if neither side comes off as dicks. Show that both sides have valid points, equal pros and cons. Eventually, one wins out and that's the direction that the world goes. The people who "lost" either accept it or go against it in secret, but everyone's friends again by Avengers 4.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#25211: Jan 25th 2015 at 12:49:42 PM

That's what they should do but keep in mind this is a Captain America movie. I find it unlikely they won't try to make him seem more heroic.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25212: Jan 25th 2015 at 12:56:57 PM

I think what they'll likely try to do is make Tony seem at least a little more sympathetic than in the comic since one of the major criticisms of the comic was that by the end, the Pro-Reg side was so cartoonishly evil that the idea of a "fair and balanced" take on the story where it was ambiguous as to who was right was virtually impossible.

They might have his guilt over Ultron impair his judgement.

edited 25th Jan '15 12:57:04 PM by comicwriter

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#25213: Jan 25th 2015 at 2:20:07 PM

I honestly don't see how the Hulks presence would end the conflict. The Hulk is about brute strength. That's not exactly what you need when you are hunting down other Superheroes, or are trying to convince them to follow your lead. Thor is another matter, because he has not only Superstrength, he just has to ask Heimdall where someone is to hunt the person in question down.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#25214: Jan 25th 2015 at 2:55:31 PM

The comics didn't have the concept yet of Bruce and Tony as friends, so with Iron Man and the other Illuminati against him it's fair to assume Banner would be anti-reg. He'd thus be too big of an asset to the anti-reg side, seeing as the story intended them to be the underground freedom-fighters sort of guys. Hulk wouldn't do well as the "secret" part of the Secret Avengers, and would easily fend off any of the pro-regs' attempts to capture them. On the pro-regs side he'd also bring tons of bad publicity with how destructive he is. This is around the time that Marvel was trying to find justifications for Hulk never killing anyone, somehow.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25215: Jan 25th 2015 at 4:42:21 PM

[up]Basically this. His presence opens up a bunch of story problems that I'm sure they'd just want to avoid.

Plus if they had him be Anti-Reg that'd be redundant since we're already getting a Hulk vs. Iron Man fight, and as you mentioned he wouldn't do well as part of a Secret Avengers.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#25216: Jan 25th 2015 at 5:35:54 PM

I don't see that the Hulk, or at least Banner, is necessarily a big problem for the pro-reg side. If anything, he's exactly the kind of person who's a good idea to have on Stark's side, because he represents the kind of destruction that regulating superheroes would hopefully curb. For his part, Banner (who it seems is also responsible in part for Ultron's creation) seems like the type who could go for regulation, both because of what him and Tony have done and for what the Hulk is capable of.

And with the possibility of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver on Cap's side, it's not like there's an immeasurable power gap between the two sides just because Hulk gets involved. Although for the sake of avoiding huge amounts of destruction, Banner would probably spend most of the movie as Banner, his support for Tony being moral or intellectual, with the Hulk not emerging until a final showdown, either between sides or when a genuine villain emerges.

edited 25th Jan '15 5:36:50 PM by Khfan429

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25217: Jan 25th 2015 at 5:48:03 PM

Hulk goes on a rampage in Age of Ultron and we see him attacking cops in the trailer. The public is probably gonna lose faith in him so he'd be a bad example of why registration works. He's been working with the other Avengers and living in Avengers Tower and that doesn't stop him from going on another berserker rampage.

Hulk is not gonna be in this movie I guarantee it. They will find some way to remove him from the board.

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#25218: Jan 25th 2015 at 6:15:05 PM

It's hardly the first time Hulk's gone on a rampage. It's not even the first one people will have seen, considering the Culver University incident. I doubt the public is fully informed of what went down there.

And no, the Avengers failing to curb Hulk is not a bad example of regulation. There's a difference between "handing the Hulk over to a group of independent unaccountable heroes" and "having Hulk (or the guy who turns into the Hulk) answer directly to the government".

By that logic, Tony Stark is a bad example of regulation because he created a robot that could have destroyed all humanity.

edited 25th Jan '15 6:16:13 PM by Khfan429

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25219: Jan 25th 2015 at 6:23:51 PM

And I'm sure Stark is going to have to answer for that in some degree, just like how the Hulk going on a rampage is going to be significant.

And no it's not going to be brushed over. I'm sure there are going to be people already against the Hulk and the whole point of the final act of the first movie was that Bruce found he could make the Hulk into a force for good. If you don't think the fact that his "rehab" goes out the window in the sequel is going to have some sort of fallout, I don't know what to tell ya.

edited 25th Jan '15 6:24:21 PM by comicwriter

Khfan429 Since: Aug, 2009
#25220: Jan 25th 2015 at 6:27:25 PM

One, who said it's going to be brushed over?

Two, we know nothing about the Hulk's rampage, aside from Tony breaking out the Hulkbuster to stop it. We don't know when it takes place, or what causes it, so suggesting that his "rehab" is going to be dropped and his idea that the Hulk can be used as a force for good will be rejected on the premise of this rampage is awfully presumptuous.

edited 25th Jan '15 6:27:52 PM by Khfan429

stingerbrg Since: Jun, 2009
#25221: Jan 25th 2015 at 6:30:36 PM

It really doesn't matter if Hulk/Banner is in the film or not. His presence wouldn't make him less of an example of why registration is needed or why it wouldn't work. I don't think him being around to smash things for either side is all that helpful (assuming that the conflict is ultimately resolved by something other than "Our side beat up yours more.")

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#25222: Jan 25th 2015 at 6:34:51 PM

[up][up]I actually think it's going to be the Scarlet Witch's doing but that's not my point. I'm saying after going on a big fight against Stark (which we know involves the Hulk attacking cops in the trailer) I really cannot foresee a scenario where anyone would think it's a good idea to have him be a shining example of why Registration supposedly works.

I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong but like I said I'm convinced he is not going to be in the movie anyway, much less waving the Registration flag and marching to the beat of Tony's drum.

edited 25th Jan '15 6:41:45 PM by comicwriter

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#25223: Jan 25th 2015 at 6:39:28 PM

I'd say Tony Stark is a bad example of *moderation*.

It's still possible that the Hulk vs. Hulkbuster fight is a Scarlet Witch induced "dream sequence". Note that it's significantly more orange than anything else seen.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#25224: Jan 25th 2015 at 7:31:57 PM

I thought the fight was occurring in Africa? We know the plot goes there at one point, and it's really sunny there.

I highly doubt such an advertised long scene is a dream sequence. It'd be like Breaking Dawn all over again.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#25225: Jan 25th 2015 at 8:46:11 PM

We've seen other scenes set in Africa. Also, nowhere is that saturated with yellow on film.


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