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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#157801: Jul 7th 2023 at 3:03:20 PM

Despite not being Greek, Garner was a good fit for Elektras as far as looks go. She is not to blame for the shitty material she had to work with.

No-one was suggesting she was?

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 7th 2023 at 11:04:17 AM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#157802: Jul 7th 2023 at 3:08:28 PM

And I didn't mean to say somebody did, sorry for making it sound like that.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#157803: Jul 7th 2023 at 3:28:36 PM

There already rumour Ben Affleck's Daredevil was in it so that tracks but as I said before I don't really trust Deadpool to be anyway respectful to them even if they do bring them back, so why they'd want to other than a paycheck.

It depends if it is an X-Force Cameo where they die horribly.

OR

If it's actual plot points.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#157804: Jul 7th 2023 at 3:31:51 PM

[up][up] Sorry, I overreacted, you're quite right of course.

[up] Well that's the big question I agree. I can't picture Deadpool doing anything serious with them but I could be pleasantly surprised.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 7th 2023 at 11:32:01 AM

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Pet Owner
#157805: Jul 7th 2023 at 3:44:37 PM

Deadpool kills the Fox Universe

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#157806: Jul 7th 2023 at 3:45:11 PM

Anyone know what the first film to popularize the “multiverse movie” was? It’s clearly the thing that sells big tickets these days, and every trend has a beginning! The earliest I personally recall seeing was Spider-Verse, but I feel like a lot of the others would’ve had to have been in production before that came out, especially given COVID delays, so I find it unlikely that was the Trope Maker.

I’m not condemning the multiverse movie concept, to note - like any other genre they range from artistic masterpieces (Everything Everywhere All At Once) to heartless cash grabs (Space Jam 2) - I’m just curious what started the trend!

M1gamiTensei The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps from Punished “Brainwashed” M1gami Since: Oct, 2017 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Scrappy of the Trope Pantheon, God of Thumps
#157807: Jul 7th 2023 at 3:48:07 PM

I would say Spiderverse is was the first movie that hit mainstream on multiverse stuff.

Shilling properties you own, I feel that belongs to the Lego Movie. Still amazing today and used what it showed well since its LEGO. I was tempted to say Wreck it Ralph did it but the cameos Disney barely show up.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#157808: Jul 7th 2023 at 3:51:26 PM

Though I feel bringing back actors in old superhero roles is a No Way Home thing

Like bringing back the 2003 Daredevil film is a whole level of nonsense that only makes sense as logical extreme of what NWH started

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#157809: Jul 7th 2023 at 3:52:01 PM

Oh how could I forget LEGO Movie! That one was great.

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Pet Owner
#157810: Jul 7th 2023 at 4:19:03 PM

Everything Everywhere All At Once is the high water mark of the non multiverse films.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#157811: Jul 7th 2023 at 4:19:26 PM

If you really, really want to stretch, Who Framed Roger Rabbit is probably the oldest "let's crossover multiple franchises into one film for maximum nostalgia points".

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#157812: Jul 7th 2023 at 4:23:10 PM

Comics, both Marvel and DC, have been doing multiverse stuff for decades now, stretching back long before the modern age of superhero movies. Superhero movies finally getting into that material was just a matter of time.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#157813: Jul 7th 2023 at 4:39:25 PM

The current massive rush for multiverse movies, at least in superhero movies, is a result of a bunch of stuff.

  • Spider-Verse came out, and was both extremely good and extremely popular.
  • Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness was announced. The word Multiverse was in the title, and we knew nothing about it, so people started getting increasingly hype over the idea that it would be a multiverse movie. Specifically people were looking for it to be a Cosmic Retcon that canonized the Fox X-Men films (a recurring theme in this sequence of events).
  • At the same time, fans started absolutely clamoring for a live action Spider-Verse movie, causing the writers of the third MCU Spider-Man film to ditch their original plans and rewrite the movie as crossover with the previous Sony films.
  • The success of NWH basically caused the whole damn thing to kick off, and film studios gonna film studio, so Marvel took the multiverse idea and started incorporated it into as many of their plans as possible.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#157814: Jul 7th 2023 at 4:42:11 PM

Huh. Didn’t really know about the Spider-Man rewrites. Is it known what the original concept was like?

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The Tapestry Weaver
#157815: Jul 7th 2023 at 4:50:11 PM

I never watched Affleck's Daredevil, but I loved Sydney Bristow in Alias. So seeing Jennifer Garner come back to the superhero genre in any way is a win in my book!

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#157816: Jul 7th 2023 at 4:51:00 PM

It’s also related to the trend of film studios to flaunt how many franchises they own or purchased the licenses to. Along with Roger Rabbit and The LEGO Movies, one could also consider Space Jam 2, the Wreck-It Ralph movies, and Ready Player One as cousins to multiverse films, being under the umbrella of “IP deluge”.

Also, my personal theory is that some of the interest in multiverse stories stems from the cultural disillusionment of the past several years that led rise to memes such as “we live in the worst timeline”. Instead of the dream being a better imagined future, it’s now a better alternate universe.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 7th 2023 at 4:56:52 AM

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Vault Dweller
#157817: Jul 7th 2023 at 4:53:54 PM

Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness was announced. The word Multiverse was in the title, and we knew nothing about it, so people started getting increasingly hype over the idea that it would be a multiverse movie. Specifically people were looking for it to be a Cosmic Retcon that canonized the Fox X-Men films (a recurring theme in this sequence of events).

This was most apparent with WandaVision discourse, and why people reacted so badly to the "Ralph Bohner" thing, the revelation that Evan Peters was simply playing someone Agatha brainwashed to act as Wanda's brother, or that the show was merely a character-driven story about Wanda, not some vehicle using Wanda as a plot device to introduce their favorites.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#157818: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:08:32 PM

At least with regards to Marvel I’ve also thought it might be a consequence of having adapted Infinity Gauntlet, which is THE biggest single-universe story. You have to go multiversal to go up from that, doubly so with Kang as the new overarching bad guy, as he’s heavily associated with time travel and alternate universes in the comics.

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#157819: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:09:46 PM

Huh. Didn’t really know about the Spider-Man rewrites. Is it known what the original concept was like?

If true, probably like what the plot of Spider-Man 4 is going to be.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#157820: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:11:06 PM

I mean, we have other big bad guys too, it's not like the heroes have powered up to "oneshots Infinity Thanos level" tiers that we need the multiverse that hard. [lol]

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#157821: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:16:23 PM

Hell I'm reading Annihilation Conquest and it features Ultron taking over a techno-organic alien species as the Phalanx as apart of a plot to assimilate the universe with a mind-control virus.

And in it he manages to lock out a section of the galaxy from the outside, effectively trapping everyone there.

Pretty major shit right there.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#157822: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:16:44 PM

I believe the current trend of the Multiverse being the big thing right now can most likely be traced to Rick and Morty, which heavily uses multiverse travel as the basis of a lot of episodes.

I remember hearing the directors for Everything Everywhere All at Once actually had to avoid watching the show, because they were getting upset at how the show was using ideas they wanted to do and they didn't be subconsciously thinking about while working on the film.

alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#157823: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:25:29 PM

I think part of the Multiverse appeal is the Planet of Hats aspect of it. It's really easy to make X but Y recycled versions of heroes with it. tongue

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#157824: Jul 7th 2023 at 5:48:59 PM

[up][up] Doesn't help that a lot of thaoe writers are now shaping everything regarding the Multiverse here...

Honestly, I'm wondering if The Multiverse as a whole will be a Discredited Trope in a few years with how much it's being used.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#157825: Jul 7th 2023 at 6:07:51 PM

I think it's a discredited trope NOW given The Flash's handling of it.

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