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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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If there should have been any animated Marvel show, I think She-Hulk would have worked better. Not only does it make She-Hulk less jarring in its effects but also they could go zany with the villains they show. And yes, I am asking for a Harvey Birdman in the MCU.
Weird how the MCU is making animation only for what I could say “offshoots” to the main timeline when Star Wars embraced its animated content as essential under the Disney umbrella (and yes, different mediums clash I do not care).
Edited by M1gamiTensei on Jul 1st 2023 at 10:12:16 AM
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I would personally love to see an animated Harvey Birdman-style She-Hulk show that wasn't constrained by having to tie into the MCU, actually go crazy with the Marvel characters showcased; obscure, mainstream, literally-only-a-handful-of-people-will-recognize-this-as-a-real-character, without worrying about connecting to the main franchise or potentially making it so certain characters can't be used properly in other projects because they were just a joke appearance. (coughcoughWreckingCrewcoughcough) And I say this as somebody who liked the live-action show.
Seriously, imagine the kind of random-ass clients Jen could have in a cartoon: Brute Force, US-1, Kal-AOL, Nightcat... who else has Linkara talked about?
Ooh, great idea: the comicbook Big Hero 6 sues Marvel for abandoning them entirely in favor of the Disney versions.
Edited by lbssb on Jul 1st 2023 at 1:51:45 PM
Disney100 Marathon | DreamWorks MarathonWhat? Like, go watch My Cousin Vinny or Night Court. Legal comedy is a very well entrenched genre and the idea that just writing it off is a reasonable thing to do is absurd.
This complaint is even more bizarre and nonsensical given the very source material the show was adapting from. You know, the She-Hulk comics in which there are decades' worth of stories of legal comedy? Wtf do you mean you can't think of anything?
I could also see a more serious Hulk series working.
Except the latter wasn't actually a denial on Melelandri's part. He was asked if it was true and said that he doesn't know where the report came from, but doesn't give a hard denial.
Edited by Cortez on Jul 2nd 2023 at 5:03:06 AM
I didn't mind She-Hulk not doing legal stuff at first, but honestly with enough time passing since I watched it I decided to blame the lead writers and producers for refusing to find anyone to help with the legal side.
You claim Ally McBeal as inspiration? Then get David E. Kelley, the guy who made that show, onboard, or any of the writers who helped him on his many laywer shows like Boston Legal. I feel like the only reason I defended this show in the past is simply because most of the dislike is poisoned by the "M-She-U" outrage losers and it's hard to read any criticism as legit when you're worried about running into them.
I honestly think She-Hulk does fine for what it is, which is a more actively light-hearted modern Slice of Life sitcom. Which is all well and good but definitely false advertising with how lacking the legal portion of it was. Don't even have to peer through She-Hulk's entire catalog either - the run by Dan Slott that actively inspired the show was also the one known for actively trying to be a superhero legal comedy.
I do get the concern on wanting to be critical of a thing without being looped in with the bad-faith bigots and outrage merchants, and I do think it's because the show's ultimately So Okay, It's Average that the pool gets mixed so much (Sarah Z's "Sacrificial Trash"
vid does a good job highlighting that phenomenon). However I don't think it's that difficult to tell who's coming at it at good faith and who isn't - the chuds didn't exactly hide how much they really wanted the show to be a Backdoor Pilot for more Bruce Banner stuff.
I put this on the show's trivia page months ago, but She-Hulk apparently did have a major legal consultant in Charles Soule (who also wrote a fairly praised She-Hulk run). Marvel seems to highlight
his prescene in time for the Daredevil crossover (another character he also wrote).
This is late, but certain
Nice way of highlighting species diversity on Earth, I'll tell you.
Edited by XMenMutant22 on Jul 2nd 2023 at 4:57:24 AM
Honestly I don't think it helps that it feels like every time Jen does hulk out to help someone else, it's either A) because someone else had to talk her into it; or B) for personal gain (or to avoid a personal problem).
Okey Dokey!
That seems like a weird criticism to me. Jen doesn't want to be a superhero. That's the central thing about her character. She doesn't want to be the person swooping in to save the day.
I do think that structure plus the, to be frank, weakness of the legal sides of the show leave it as not about much of anything? I mean, she doesn't want to be a superhero, she wants to be a lawyer. Fine, that's an interesting story, but then they don't know what to do with her being a lawyer, so...what's the show about?
Edited by ECD on Jul 3rd 2023 at 6:45:46 AM
It's a slice of life sitcom. It's about her funny day to day life with her dealing with powers. Rather it works as that is up to the viewer. I think it does but I do get thinking it doesn't.
Yeah because she is not nor does she want to be a superhero. I found it very refreshing to have a protagonist not want to be a hero.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 3rd 2023 at 8:59:15 AM
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I agree, but saying that the show is bad because Jen doesn't go out and fight crime is a bad take. The show could've absolutely been good with the premise it has if it was done better.
I don't think it's bad that she doesn't want to suit up and fight crime. I do think it's bad that the show isn't what it was marketed as.
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Eh...it's sort of a slice of life comedy? Just not, in my view, a very good one, because it's trying to be too many things. The other characters don't get enough development to actually be an ensemble piece, her family is criminally underutilized, while her legal work, with a small handful of exceptions (the illusionist elf, Mr. Immortal and the magicians) are just...not good. And the show can't decide if it wants to be a screwball comedy, or a dramedy about the issues with the legal system.
Which results in stuff like the show just disappearing Blonsky's victims during his parole hearing, or fairly straightforward coercion of opposing parties (or your own clients), which could be very interesting meta-commentary on how easy it is for power, whether physical or social to be misused, but that's clearly not the intent.
Like I said it's up to the viewer. I think it works and think that the supporting characters get enough development and character such as Pug, Nikki, Blownsky, and Matt to make the comedy work.
More episodes could have helped
The eternal refrain of the Disney plus shows
Forever liveblogging the AvengersI respect She-Hulk what it was trying to do but other than the Daredevil episode which I think nailed the concept.
This pretty much on the money.
Now picture if they'd done something similar to Netflix's Sandman and have a nine episode series and a second bonus tenth episode. Sell episode 9 as the grand finale then. K.E.V.I.N happens and surprise, there's a 10th episode. Jen's laywer redux of episode 9.
I don't supposed they could ever keep it secret but it feels like something the show needed. rather than making K.E.V.I.N a full on d.e.m.
OTOH I was finale with the stuff in the first episode because they seemed to be going for both Bruce and Jen are both right and wrong. Jen can still be lawyer but Hulk stuff changing her life is inevitable and we sort of got that at the end but the emphasis in the finale of 'this is should be a lawyer show' rather undermined it.

What? Like, go watch My Cousin Vinny or Night Court. Legal comedy is a very well entrenched genre and the idea that just writing it off is a reasonable thing to do is absurd.