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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Yeah, Infinity War is Thanos's movie.
The Avengers are basically Hero Antagonist's.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianAlso, I guess there is What If…? S1E4 "What If… Doctor Strange Lost His Heart Instead of His Hands?".
Doesn't get more villainous than complete universal destruction
Edited by Forenperser on Jul 21st 2022 at 2:03:28 PM
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianOh right. Thanos the movie was great.
Edited by fasoman1996 on Jul 21st 2022 at 9:03:53 AM
Uni catI do hope the protagonists would do something a little morally ambiguous.
Like the Suicide Squad films have the issue where the protagonists don't really do anything bad or largely brutal aside from killing mooks, and both films ends with them doing an act of genuine celebratory heroism.
Meanwhile I'm thinking of more Uncanny X-Force where saving the day involves doing some ugly shit and ends with the heroes exhausted and damaged even broken from the horrible experiances.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."You know what I thought would be interesting is if Baron Zemo somehow decided that Jumping Off the Slippery Slope was the best solution, and gradually becomes the fanatical madman from the comics, albeit reluctantly.
The two things I could think of are him witnessing a Celestial, thus making him decide that he needs to ascend to their level to prevent them from manipulating the world, or retconning his dad's innocence by having him discover that Heinrich was indeed involved with HYDRA, and that his work with them is how the Zemo family came to be so wealthy in the first place.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."If we use episodes of What if, as examples, then it appears to me that Infinite Ultron was the protagonist of his episode.
Wandavision and Loki both have villain protagonists, although both end up with the protagonists in the role of "heroes" when they must face someone worse than themselves.
Edited by DarthNoxIsCool on Jul 21st 2022 at 6:31:53 AM
Well, he is a fairly sympathetic character here overall and I could absolutely see him settling into an Anti-Villain role, while Walker could go either way and become more genuinely heroic, or descend into the depths of self-delusion and turn into a Nominal Hero at best.
I assume Walker will get worse.
People hate him a lot more after all.
The Zemo dance has made the Baron too fun to hate. Not bad for someone who murdered a buttload of innocent people, including a head of state.
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah, I sadly think that Walker will not get a chance to reform and just get crazier and more self-righteous until he's turned into a real piece of shit with none of his redeeming traits. The kind of guy who will still be totally convinced he's the hero even when he's doing ridiculously illegal black ops shit that would make even Bill Rawlins blush.
I think people forget that Walker ended up choosing to save a group of people over catching his friend's killer.
I know he's not the most popular character, but this already sounds like Ron the Death Eater.
Edited by DarthNoxIsCool on Jul 21st 2022 at 8:15:56 AM
I think part of it is Walker's story (like all of FATWS) suffers from missing a step. His spiral downward is pretty well paced, but then he just kind of shakes off his unhinged murderous plan and becomes a good guy almost immediately. Sam and Bucky just kind of accept it, and everyone moves on very quickly.
You and I remember Budapest very differentlyThen again, if he dances a funny dance, maybe people will like John more.
Funny dances mean popularity. For all we know, he could be a master of Disco dancing.
I'd pay to see that.
One Strip! One Strip!More like he ping-pongs between "just killed a dude" and "saving a bus full of people, and also Sam and Bucky are cool with him" way too fast.
There's a really cool and interesting character concept in there and a Reformed, but Not Tamed plotline where even if he's still nominally a hero he will always be greyer (and more bloodstained) than he once was, but between the show's runtime and what I can only assume is COVID rewrites, the way it's written feels schizophrenic and inconsistent.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!I think as far as the writers go they intended Walker to be a heroic, admirable man with some minor flaws. Whether he'll stay that way depends how much Marvel was affected by the fairly obvious audience perception that Walker was a terrible person who should have been a villain.
It's more or less the reverse case as Loki. With Loki, starting from The Dark World the MCU decided to accomodate that audience reaction of Loki being a misunderstood pretty boy Wild Card (rather than a maniacal mass-murderer) and that stuck since. Walker might suffer the same fate or might not.
Edited by Gaon on Jul 21st 2022 at 8:48:41 AM
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Loki was only a "maniacal mass murderer" in Avengers. In Thor 1 he was only a bit more extreme than most Asgardians, who think that mass slaughter of their enemies is glorious, but doing it in a sneaky way is bad. Hell, in Avengers he's as much of a "maniacal mass murderer" as Thor was at the start of Thor 1, since they both wanted to conquer a world through violence and killing, and he was completely rehabilitated.

I'm hoping whatever we get is pretty brutal dark and brutal.
Something fitting for a team of genuine anti-heroes and villain.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."