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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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I mean, it was legitimately a poor writing decision that put later writers in a bad spot for writing character dynamics and emotional stories, hence why people give Whedon a lot of the blame. His perception of the universe and characters was rather uniquely shallow.
As such he legit laid down an awkward foundation for the people who came after them. It’s hard to fault those people for ultimately having to ignore him and try to write strong character stories anyway.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 21st 2022 at 2:56:02 AM
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as Pitch Meetings would say "Unclear".
There don't seem to be any official Avengers but Bruce / Carol / Wong are teaming up on something that will hopefully be followed up on in The Marvels.
What I was meaning was it was a mistake to have Age of Ultron and Civil War right next to each other. One of them needed to take a different tack and it doesn't really matter which one, it's something the higher ups like Feige should be planning, not the individual directors.
Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 21st 2022 at 11:02:57 AM
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I tend to disagree and think that it's the later efforts to cast them as the bestest of buds which is the mistake. When they were 'we work together if the world's at stake, but that's it' it was a lot more feasible to maintain some separation and the questions of 'where was everyone else while your solo movie was happening' were a lot easier to answer.
And it also tends to end up shortchanging other heroes supporting cast if their bestest buds are all/mostly other heroes.
@Who Are The Avengers Now:
Hard to say. It isn’t too clear whether there’s any distinction between The Avengers: The Team, and the global peacekeeping organization that Wong, Okoye, Carol, Bruce and so on are running anymore.
Like, whether that organization has an “A Team” that handles big problems and that is effectively the Avengers, or whether the whole thing is the Avengers a la Justice League Unlimited.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 21st 2022 at 3:09:16 AM
Depends on who's on the team and what their goals are. If Zemo and Walker end up together, I can imagine a whole lot of Teeth-Clenched Teamwork going on.
"I'm Mr. Blue, woah-woah-ooh..."I only like totally original non-ripoff characters like Deadpool and Thanos!
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 21st 2022 at 3:26:42 AM
I guess the original Thunderbolts is a concept with a limited amount of times you can do it without running out of villains.
It is however, a much more unique take than the Suicide Squad one.
Forever liveblogging the AvengersThe problem with the mcu is they have very few villains left alive. A lot of the potential candidates seem to be on the anti-heroic side already. (U S Agent, Yelena)
Be interesting to have Zemo and more heroic figure (Hawkeye would be the most associated with them in the comic) having a metaphorical fight for the souls of the waverers that make up the rest of the team.
Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 21st 2022 at 11:52:34 AM
I think it'll probably end up as a hybrid of the original Thunderbolts pitch and the Dark Avengers days (i.e. government-sponsored avengers replacement full of villains).
"All you Fascists bound to lose."So the government knows they're ex villains but they're played up as heroes to the public and get into the good feels good thing?
Forever liveblogging the Avengers

The thread is very simply pointing out it wasn't that good of an idea in the first place to operate as if the Avengers barely tolerate one another.
Personally, I think Avengers worked decently well with this aproach showing the growing pains of the team coming together, but by Age of Ultron they really should have been on a better synchrony.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."