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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#144376: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:26:31 PM

The last thing a franchise needs is an Superman expy.

Much as I loathe it The Boys is currently one of the biggest superhero franchises out there besides the MCU with its Superman expy particularly well-liked for how relevant he is and his actor's performance.

Edited by FOFD on Jul 20th 2022 at 7:27:56 AM

DarthNoxIsCool Since: Jun, 2022
#144377: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:30:24 PM

I correct myself, the last thing a franchise needs is an expy Superman, if you're not going to do anything interesting with him.

It doesn't seem to me that Sentry can contribute something interesting.

On the other hand, Hyperion does have potential.

Edited by DarthNoxIsCool on Jul 20th 2022 at 4:31:26 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#144378: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:32:30 PM

We already have an evil Superman in Ikarus.

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#144379: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:33:44 PM

We had an evil Superman in Ikarus.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#144380: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:34:51 PM

The MCU already had a Superman-clone. Ikarus from the Eternals. They even did the Beware the Superman thing with him.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#144381: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:35:56 PM

I've never read The Sentry or Hyperion's series and I've detected Sentry's particularly disliked on TV Tropes.

As The Boys (ugh), Kamala, America, and M'Baku illustrate though anything can be good with proper execution. MCU Sentry could be great.

The only Superman-esque Flying Brick character the MCU has at the moment are Captain Marvel and Thor, and each have their nuances.

EDIT: Crap. I saw the Eternals and forgot about Ikarus.

Edited by FOFD on Jul 20th 2022 at 7:36:37 AM

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144382: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:36:14 PM

Guys have you thought about Ikarus from the Eternals?

Apparently he's an evil superman expy that already exists.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 20th 2022 at 12:36:37 PM

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#144383: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:36:54 PM

1, well he's dead, and 2, I legit forgot that guy existed.

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144384: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:37:52 PM

I was just joking as we got 3 nearly identical posts in a row [nja]ing each other.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144385: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:39:38 PM

Though Hyperion is more of a Superman expy in character compared to Ikarus who has to deal with the Eternal prime directive.

Hyperion's story is figuring out whether it's right to enforce his rule upon humanity even if it may lead to a utopia.

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#144386: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:41:02 PM

Man, Ikaris is so boring that literally everyone on this page spelled his name wrong.

The legend has returned.
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#144387: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:43:33 PM

Maybe it wasn't clear, but I was referencing his death with the had in my post. As in, we had one for one movie and now he's dead, so we could totally have another without stepping on his toes.

Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#144388: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:43:43 PM

DC has had horrible luck with its movies. I would be sad if Marvel styled on them with their own character. But it'd also be kinda hilarious.

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#144389: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:44:25 PM

They could also bring him back if they desired

The Eternals do that sometimes

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#144390: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:47:28 PM

Ikaris is a fantastic character, probably the best one in the movie.

Mispelling any of the Eternals is expected, anyhow, their names are deliberately constructed to be mispellings of mythological figures based on its english phonetics.

Edited by Gaon on Jul 20th 2022 at 4:47:49 AM

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Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#144391: Jul 20th 2022 at 4:48:17 PM

Gladiator could be an interesting addition. Since while he's not a bad person,Gladiator is bound by a code of honor to serve the leader of the Shi'ar, and that same code sometimes puts him at odds with Earths heroes should it be what that leader wills.

Someone even drew what the character might look like if he was played by Cavil as well. https://stuart_cooper.artstation.com/projects/lVl8yk

Edited by Avenger09 on Jul 20th 2022 at 1:08:25 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#144392: Jul 20th 2022 at 5:10:09 PM

Gladiator definitely has the most interesting limitation to his abilities.

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#144393: Jul 20th 2022 at 5:13:51 PM

To be honest I think "Evil Superman" as a trope is overdone.

Also, while there isn't a 1-1 Superman expy in the MCU, I feel like there's quite a few of his traits scattered between characters. For example, Captain America fills a similar character archetype, whether it's Steve or Sam.

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#144394: Jul 20th 2022 at 5:27:00 PM

Marvel has so many Superman Expies that it's really just a waiting game before they start showing up. As noted, we've already seen one of them.

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#144395: Jul 20th 2022 at 5:27:55 PM

I’m holding my breath for Forbush Man

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#144396: Jul 20th 2022 at 5:45:47 PM

To be honest I think "Evil Superman" as a trope is overdone.

Vehemently agree. At this point we actually are starting to have more evil Superman characters than good ones. Give us a break, please!

Regarding Phase 4 of the MCU losing its steam.... I kinda agree with people that we've heard it before. It's easy to forget now but a lot of the earlier MCU stuff wasn't that well-received. In my opinion it's still a bit too early to say if they are losing it. Give them a few more movies.

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#144397: Jul 20th 2022 at 5:49:14 PM

The last thing a franchise needs is an Superman expy.

There's a lot they could do with Blue Marvel.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144398: Jul 20th 2022 at 5:53:20 PM

Honestly I wouldn't really call Gladiator an evil Superman.

He's more of a flying brick, sure he has similar powers to Superman but his personality and whole thing is completely different.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 20th 2022 at 5:54:48 AM

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#144399: Jul 20th 2022 at 5:54:37 PM

Any Flying Brick with a cape inevitably gets compared to Superman. Thor basically only escapes the comparison because of Mjolnir tweaking his aesthetics more (e.g. the fact he usually can't get airborne without using the hammer's momentum).

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#144400: Jul 20th 2022 at 5:57:23 PM

Gladiator was intended to be a Superboy expy because the imperial guard were a lawyer friendly version of the legion of super-heroes

So yeah, Gladiator isn’t Superman because he’s Superboy

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