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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#144301: Jul 19th 2022 at 12:55:21 PM

It was during whole Jane Thor thing, Aaron's very hamfisted attempts at feminism which included turning Odin into the embodiment of the patriarchy so Jane can have a big he-man woman-hater to fight.

Is this the same one that gave us "Unsolicited opinions on Israel" or is that a different series?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144302: Jul 19th 2022 at 1:12:32 PM

That would be the Angela: Queen of Hel series by Marguerite Bennett

Angela faces off against a revived Bor, father of Odin and her grandfather but apparently the comic runs on a very lemony narrator by Sera, an Angel a race of psychopath capitalists who make it a cultural thing to spread the worst slander about anyone they dislike.

So Bor an Asgardian they hate says this.....

Bor: "What whorespawn slattern is this? Depraved whelp that slithered from the legs of [NOPE, TOO GROSS, SORRY] . [A LOT OF MISOGYNIST FILTH] [RED PILL M.R.A. MENINIST CASUAL RACISM] [UNSOLICITED OPINIONS ON ISRAEL???]"

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 19th 2022 at 1:13:32 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#144303: Jul 19th 2022 at 1:13:02 PM

Nah, that was from the Angela series. Which also sometimes utilized straw misogynist characters, but the writing was far less full of Whedon-style Male Feminism.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#144304: Jul 19th 2022 at 1:16:05 PM

Aha. Thank you.

I knew it was Bor so I had assumed it was a Thor story.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144305: Jul 19th 2022 at 1:22:43 PM

They kinda do a thing where whenever Bor shows up he is written to be a sexist neanderthal.

Cause ya know Vikings are old and old things are sexist, thats the hilt of the joke.

[up] Angela does fall under the Thor franchise banner. Funnily enough Angela is generally well received as a character but her inclusion into Thor's mythology as his long-lost sister has been received very coldly by Thor fans.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 19th 2022 at 1:23:51 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
fanman "To watch it all burn." from Earth-Prime/Earth-1218 Since: Feb, 2022 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
"To watch it all burn."
#144306: Jul 19th 2022 at 2:11:58 PM

[up]I doubt they'll bring Angela into the MCU, not just because of the prominent lesbianism, but also because the angels of Heven, even if they aren't angels of Heaven with an A, are a good way to get box office bombed by the Bible Belt.

I also wonder if Bor is a misogynist in the MCU. If so, he probably would be very salty about the fact that Asgard's greatest and most powerful warrior was his granddaughter.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144307: Jul 19th 2022 at 2:20:08 PM

MCU Asgard seems to be more egalitarian than the mythical version (the Valkyries are promoted to full warriors as opposed to just escorting the fallen) but on the other hand Sif in the first movie alludes to having dealt with sexist expectations before she took on a battle career, so who knows where it was before Odin.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144308: Jul 19th 2022 at 2:23:27 PM

The irony is that Viking society was apparently pretty egalitarian and the women enjoyed a good deal of freedom and power in their communities.

So its a bit more of a nuanced case there.

[up][up] Bor has only made an appearance during the prologue of Dark World and no joke was made about him being sexist with the main focus being him defeating the Dark Elves.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#144309: Jul 19th 2022 at 2:30:17 PM

[up][up][up]I would still like to see Zadkiel show up in a Ghost Rider film as some sort of insane hardline radical trying to overthrow Heaven because he thinks it's grown soft and grooming the Riders to aid him.

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#144310: Jul 19th 2022 at 6:42:03 PM

The Thor: Tales of Asgard prequel did the opposite by making the Valkyrie queen a huge misandrist, (possibly as a dig at DC's Amazon's) who tried to shame Sif into hating men as well and accused Thor and Loki, who were children, of being spies of Odin when they wandered into her realm.

Aside from everything wrong with assuming one made their publicity known children spies, because of how counterproductive that would, in fact, be. Its funny that mishandled portrayals of intergender relations has been a issue with Thor stories in the past.

Also is Male Feminism a trope, because it sounds like it should be?

Edited by Avenger09 on Jul 19th 2022 at 2:43:52 PM

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#144311: Jul 19th 2022 at 6:54:28 PM

I 'd really like to see Thor team up with his fellow hammer wielders for a animated film or something. They could call themselves; The Worthy. Consisting of:

  • Thor
  • Beta-Ray Bill
  • Jane Foster (As Thunderstrike because that is a cool distinct name and the trademark thing is ridiculous)
Maybe with, Angela, the Valkyries (Brunhilde and Rüna), Sif and the Warriors Three as support.

Edited by Avenger09 on Jul 19th 2022 at 2:55:18 PM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#144312: Jul 19th 2022 at 6:59:46 PM

I do wish Marvel still did direct-to-video animated films like DC does, it'd provide some variety from the current pattern of "everything we produce has to be MCU-related".

Heck, my dream JLA/Avengers adaptation wouldn't even be a live-action film, but an animated one crossing over the DCAU and Avengers: EMH.

I love the MCU, but c'mon, even DC has two movies explicitly outside their shared universe's continuity for experimentation.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 19th 2022 at 7:03:48 AM

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#144313: Jul 19th 2022 at 7:14:51 PM

Jane Foster As Thunderstrike

There's already another hero with that name.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144314: Jul 19th 2022 at 7:21:11 PM

[up][up][up][up] I figured the term is like faux-feminism or performative-feminism.

[up][up] Man its a shame Marvel doesn't do animated movies anymore. DC's aren't always perfect but at least we get interesting stuff on occasion.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#144315: Jul 19th 2022 at 7:24:59 PM

[up][up]Yeah the guy from 2099. He could still use it, he'll just have to wait a bit. Honestly to me, "Thunderstrike" just sounds like it would work way better as a hereditary title for those mortals worthy of Thor's power then the guys actual name.

[up][up][up] I concur. Ever since the MCU made it big even the comics have become overshadowed by it. Even Backported Development'ing stuff from the films onto their comic incarnations. We need more stand alone Marvel media, besides just, very awesome,video games.

Edited by Avenger09 on Jul 19th 2022 at 3:29:22 PM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#144316: Jul 19th 2022 at 7:28:37 PM

Whedon Feminism? It has a good ring to it. Superficial, performative public displays while being a shit-ass person who is all talk in private.

And I wouldn't mind at least a few alternate universe movies other than Into the Spider-Verse that will never connect to the mainline MCU - maybe 2099, Noir, or 1602? I'm not going to count Age of Apocalypse because that absolutely should be part of the MCU.

Edited by HasturHasturHastur on Jul 19th 2022 at 7:32:00 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#144317: Jul 19th 2022 at 7:31:16 PM

What I really find a pity is the absence of strong Marvel animated series. Comics, as a serial medium, tend to translate best in serial form (see the MCU itself being serialized movies), and animated series accomodate well the stylistics of comics. The medium loses a lot if it's segregated to just movies.

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Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#144318: Jul 19th 2022 at 7:32:08 PM

[up][up]Quick to the Launch Platform!

Transition Music

[up] We are going to be getting a brief revival of X-Men: The Animated Series in X-Men 97, maybe that might spark new interest in animated shows?

Edited by Avenger09 on Jul 19th 2022 at 3:42:20 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144319: Jul 19th 2022 at 7:43:53 PM

Ever since I’ve read Hawkeye (2012) I’ve felt that the adaptation it deserves should be a Spider-Verse-esque animated film.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jul 19th 2022 at 7:49:05 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144320: Jul 19th 2022 at 7:45:45 PM

We did have cartoons but they weren't particularly good.

Avengers Assemble and Guardians of the Galaxy were basically MCU shill pieces while Hulk Agents of Smash and Marvel's Spider-Man were plainly just not that good

Plus apparently Marvel Studios had a lot of production problems explaining the general poor quality of the shows animation.

[up] Man that would be dope, especially how they handle the archery visual effects.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 19th 2022 at 7:46:10 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#144321: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:03:28 PM

Well, in terms of strong Marvel animated series, we did have Earth's Mightiest Heroes... which was canceled for not selling enough toys/so Avengers Assemble could happen instead.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#144322: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:10:37 PM

-weep sob-

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144323: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:22:48 PM

And Avengers Assemble went onto run for over 4 seasons…….

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#144324: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:26:21 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#144325: Jul 19th 2022 at 8:35:26 PM

The loss of EMH hurts, nearly ten years later.

Ultimate Spiderman did actually somewhat grow the beard, but even at its best it wasn't a particularly great show. Just average.

I agree that Marvel has been way too centered on MCU style shows since The Avengers (2012).

It'd be nice to see an end to that.

Edit: [up] Oof. You would bring up that one. That's two Fandom lost lenores.

Only Young Justice comes back it seems.

All we can do is remember the good times and try to move on.....while secretly holding on to frothing bitterness.

Don't forget that.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 19th 2022 at 8:37:02 AM

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