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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#144251: Jul 18th 2022 at 9:15:14 PM

The moniker was probably coined by Nick Fury as a homage to Mar-Vell. There's a dialogue in Captain Marvel that essentially establishes this when Nick Fury rolls with that pronunciation:

  • Nick Fury: You're sure that's what Marvel would want?
  • Carol: Mar-Vell.
  • Fury: That's what I said.
  • Carol: It's two words. Mar-Vell.
  • Fury: Marvel sounds a lot better. You know, like the Marvelettes? Not ringing any bells?

I'm guessing just as Fury titled the "Avengers initiative" after Carol he presumably also titled her as the "Captain Marvel" asset or somesuch. It was probably in Fury's files somewhere and the Avengers rolled with it.

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#144252: Jul 18th 2022 at 9:17:16 PM

And Carol probably adopted it as well because Mar-Vell is the one Kree she knew that didn't suck.

As a hybrid, Carol probably considers Mar-Vell the closest thing she had to a Kree parent (she saw her as the Supreme Intelligence after all) and so took the slight mispronunciation of the name as her own.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#144253: Jul 18th 2022 at 11:05:17 PM

Carol was an Avenger for 5 years between Infinity War and Endgame, she probably got a name for herself then.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#144254: Jul 18th 2022 at 11:09:28 PM

The name Captain Marvel was first used in Spider-Man Far From Home.

Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#144255: Jul 19th 2022 at 3:28:34 AM

Regarding Tobias Drake's pic of Mjolnir-powered Black Widow: HOLY CRAP THAT'S COOL AS SHIT! Kinda makes me wanna see more characters get that kind of design.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144256: Jul 19th 2022 at 3:35:02 AM

Well Marvel has already gave Venom, Gwen, and Miles their own verse series after the success of Spider-Verse, its only about time they move onto to a non-spider character for that.

Though hopefully we don't get anything as bad as Miles-Thor.

Say it with me folks, "By Odin's fade", "Asgard is his hood".

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#144257: Jul 19th 2022 at 3:50:03 AM

I still think it is kinda silly to make "Thor" an identity in the vein of Batman, Superman and other Legacy characters, when Thor is literally the name of a specific guy.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144258: Jul 19th 2022 at 4:25:50 AM

It is but ya know he's got the big hammer and everyone wants the hammer. tongue

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#144259: Jul 19th 2022 at 4:48:01 AM

[up][up]I mean.... technically speaking Thor has gone through various hosts in earlier comics.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#144260: Jul 19th 2022 at 4:52:34 AM

I know that it's a thing from the comics, and it's silly there as well.

There is only one Thor Odinson. People picking up his Hammer, be it Eric Masterson or Jane Foster, doesn't make them "Thor".

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144261: Jul 19th 2022 at 4:55:21 AM

In fairness to Eric I think his case was along the lines "I have to pretend to be Thor so people don't think he's dead"

And when Thor actually came back he immediately no longer continued calling himself Thor and changed to Thunderstrike

So I guess it's less ridiculous than Jane going "There must always be a Thor" and Thor giving up his name so she can be Thor [lol]

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 19th 2022 at 4:56:16 AM

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#144262: Jul 19th 2022 at 5:35:13 AM

"Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."

It's a long-established metaphysic that anyone who can lift the hammer gets Thor powers, but there isn't really a word for "Person Possessing the Power of Thor". So they just get called Thor as an easy shorthand.

Given how many times it's happened, I do agree that Marvel should come up with an official proper noun for Power of Thor Possessors.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 19th 2022 at 5:35:47 AM

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Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#144263: Jul 19th 2022 at 5:46:50 AM

Yeah, pretty much. I don't mind it, but it'd make things much less confusing if they came up with a proper appellation.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#144264: Jul 19th 2022 at 5:47:09 AM

Thorrians? Thorlites? Thor adjacents? Thor holders? Thorsessors?

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Disasturbator
#144265: Jul 19th 2022 at 5:49:22 AM

Thore

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Weirdguy149 Former King from Lumiose City Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
Former King
#144266: Jul 19th 2022 at 5:56:27 AM

The Worthy Ones.

The legend has returned.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
alekos23 Since: Mar, 2013
#144268: Jul 19th 2022 at 5:59:49 AM

If Odin wasn't a bag of dicks lately I think Odinson would be an okay general term. Yeah just steal Thor's surname instead. tongue

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144269: Jul 19th 2022 at 6:10:17 AM

I think Thorsons or Sons of Thor would fit better then since it is his power they are using

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#144270: Jul 19th 2022 at 6:10:28 AM

Is Odin really that bad nowadays? Thought that was more Zeus's job.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144271: Jul 19th 2022 at 6:15:17 AM

They flanderized him in the Aaron run to be a sexist idiot.

It was during whole Jane Thor thing, Aaron's very hamfisted attempts at feminism which included turning Odin into the embodiment of the patriarchy so Jane can have a big he-man woman-hater to fight.

As a result Odin got kicked out of Asgard and the entire universe regards him as a has-been loser.

Edited by slimcoder on Jul 19th 2022 at 6:16:07 AM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#144272: Jul 19th 2022 at 6:20:29 AM

Ugh. Honestly, it sounds just like what he did to Cyclops in his X-Men books.

People always snicker about Bendis, but I honestly think Aaron is way worse at shitting on characterizations.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144273: Jul 19th 2022 at 6:25:46 AM

I'd say the difference between the 2 is that Aaron's style of dialogue doesn't make you want to jab a knife into your head.

Like Aaron's writing can get incredibly stupid, just look at his current Avengers run and stuff like retconning Thoe's mom into being the Phoenix.

But Bendis comes across as downright infantile in his writing. It's a level of a stupidity that legimately makes you question whether an actual adult human being wrote this and I'm only slightly exagerrating on that.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144274: Jul 19th 2022 at 6:40:48 AM

[up] Not read a lot of modern comics. Is Bendis really that bad? Like USM and Alias are well regarded right? It's just when they tapped him to write like every single event comic ever things weren't so good?

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#144275: Jul 19th 2022 at 6:52:47 AM

Bendis reads like edgy fanfic written by a middle-schooler.


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