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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#144226: Jul 17th 2022 at 8:56:03 PM

[up] Depends on how charismatic Black Panther's replacement is and how good the villain is.

And I suppose how good of a hook it has.

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#144227: Jul 18th 2022 at 5:42:47 AM

I have high hopes for Namor, and Tenoch Huerta's take on him.

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#144228: Jul 18th 2022 at 8:41:27 AM

I am excited about seeing Namor and since it has the same directing crew I think it will be a good movie. Still, I will admit that it somewhat upsetting that we won't see Bosman.

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#144229: Jul 18th 2022 at 10:38:17 AM

Namor so far is the only thing to latch on to for this. We'll see when the trailer comes, sooner rather than later.

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#144230: Jul 18th 2022 at 11:26:19 AM

How do Jane's powers work in Love and Thunder? She's got Mjolnir therefore she has Thor's powers right?

Does that mean in Endgame Steve effectively had Thor's level of durabilitt and strength?

He should have, but it's complicated.

Traditionally, the way Mjolnir works in the comics is that if you are Worthy, then lifting the hammer causes you to be struck by a bolt of lightning which immediately bestows all of Thor's powers and some cool Asgardian Warrior regalia upon you. This has resulted in various Thor versions of characters. Here's Black Widow wielding the power of Thor.

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/black_widow_thor.png

The hammer just does that. BOOM, powers and costume.

Except. When it doesn't? Steve Rogers being Worthy has been a long-established thing in the comics, and there have been multiple dramatic HOLY SHIT moments where he picks up Mjolnir at the eleventh hour and goes to town. It always comes with a massive power boost that lets him change the tide of a losing battle, and he can blast lightning and shit from it as well. It's clear that he does receive the power of Thor when he lifts Mjolnir.

But for some reason, he never gets a lightning bolt makeover. Despite lifting the hammer many times, I'm pretty sure we have never once gotten a Thor variant costume for Captain America. It always leaves his outfit as-is, even though it costume-changes everybody else that successfully lifts it.

In the MCU, it's much the same. Lifting Mjolnir gave both Jane and, in the first movie, Thor himself a free cosmetic upgrade. But it left Steve's clothes alone. For some reason.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 18th 2022 at 11:27:26 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#144231: Jul 18th 2022 at 12:21:11 PM

Clearly, Mjölnir just like's Steve's duds.

Notably, even when he was in the identity of The Captain (the black costume that was eventually given to John Walker for the US Agent identity), he never got any fancy Thor suit.

I know because I have a comic where he lifted the hammer while in that costume.

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#144233: Jul 18th 2022 at 12:29:55 PM

Vision didn't get a makeover either; I guess Mjolnir also has its own sense of hot or not.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#144234: Jul 18th 2022 at 12:30:58 PM

You fools!

The helmet / Cowl of Cap's costume already has wings.

Mjölnir sees that Steve has everything he needs already![lol]

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#144235: Jul 18th 2022 at 12:32:02 PM

[up][up]Of course, there's still the argument about whether the hammer actually counted Vision as worthy since he's a machine.

I personally think he is, since Stan Lee tried lifting the hammer with a truck in Thor 1 and it didn't work.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 18th 2022 at 12:32:14 PM

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#144236: Jul 18th 2022 at 1:41:44 PM

The hammer probably reacts to someones intent to move it no matter if they actually grab it directly. So Vision should be counted as being legit worthy. Also as a Synthezoid he is partially organic so there is another argument that Mjolnir would probably view him as not a machine anyway.

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#144237: Jul 18th 2022 at 1:43:22 PM

IIRC Jane summons the lightning to give herself something extra (helmet?), so maybe the wielder can actually work out a costume design with Mjolnir, and Cap was a bit preoccupied.

Edited by Synchronicity on Jul 18th 2022 at 3:43:38 AM

FGHIK Since: Aug, 2013
#144238: Jul 18th 2022 at 2:36:10 PM

Well, the truck could be counted as an extension of Stan's character's will, since it has no will of its own. Whereas Vision is a machine that's acting of its own accord.

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#144239: Jul 18th 2022 at 2:41:00 PM

In Love and Thunder, the denizens of New Asgard were able to excavate the ground that the hammer shards fell onto, and move that instead of moving the hammer. But Stan Lee's truck couldn't budge it. So Steve and Tony's elevator theory remains unproven and yet has also not been disproven. Or, rather, it has been simultaneously proven and disproven, leaving the truth ambiguous.

It's a shame Vision didn't get a lightning bolt makeover or shoot lightning out of the hammer. That would rather definitively answer the question. An elevator wouldn't be able to tap into the hammer's powers; It would only be able to swing and throw the hammer as a blunt instrument.

If Vision is an elevator, then he does not possess the power of Thor when he lifts Mjolnir. Therefore, if Vision possesses the power of Thor, then he is not an elevator.

Does anyone remember if Vision's done the "summon Mjolnir back to hand" thing?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 18th 2022 at 2:45:11 AM

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#144240: Jul 18th 2022 at 2:48:50 PM

Pretty sure he didn't do anything other than pick it up and hand it to Thor and then later smack ultron with it once before handing it back with a compliment about it's balance.

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#144241: Jul 18th 2022 at 2:55:49 PM

[up][up]Did they say that they moved the ground it was on? I was under the assumption that they built the display case around where it was already laying.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 18th 2022 at 2:56:14 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#144242: Jul 18th 2022 at 3:04:17 PM

I don't believe he has.

He can pic it up, but I don't believe he ever used the lightning power like Thor did either.

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#144243: Jul 18th 2022 at 3:36:36 PM

ARE WE FORGETTING THE MOST WORTHY COAT RACK IN THE UNIVERSE?!

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#144246: Jul 18th 2022 at 4:48:02 PM

Maybe Steve is just too humble for the grandiose Thor costume.

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#144247: Jul 18th 2022 at 4:48:38 PM

Ya know its a weird thought, despite being introduced in the 2nd Avengers movie Avengers adaptations still make little use of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.

Even Avengers Assemble which was an MCU shill-piece did not ever use Pietro and Wanda, despite having Ultron use his movie face, bringing in Vision with no introduction, and retooling Ant-Men who previously appeared in the show to be exactly like his movie shelf down to having shot for shot recreations of the backyard training scenes from the Ant-Man movie.

Hilarious that the comics made the point of retconning them to not be Mutants so adaptations can have a background for them without Magneto but they still don't do anything with the characters. tongue

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#144248: Jul 18th 2022 at 4:48:46 PM

[up][up]I'd wager that's the actual answer.

Edited by lbssb on Jul 18th 2022 at 4:48:55 AM

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#144249: Jul 18th 2022 at 4:54:33 PM

The Mjolnir always seems to be semi-sentient (or fully sentient as the comics recently tackled) so its choices being inconsistent (outfit for some and not for others) seem like a very deliberate judgement call.

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#144250: Jul 18th 2022 at 8:59:14 PM

Hey, I have a question. When, exactly, did Carol officially become Captain Marvel in the MCU?

By the time of Ms. Marvel, she's publicly known as Captain Marvel. But I don't remember anyone calling her that before Ms. Marvel. Fury just knew her as Carol "Avenger" Danvers.

It's explained in Ms. Marvel that the public has the full scoop on the events of Infinity War and Endgame courtesy of Scott Lang's podcast, so. Like. Did Scott come up with the name Captain Marvel? Is that just a name he invented because nobody every stopped to explain to him who this random interstellar ship-smashing woman is?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 18th 2022 at 9:01:31 AM

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