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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144201: Jul 16th 2022 at 9:42:20 AM

Hence why people arguably worthier than Thor can't pick it up, because they're not of royal blood

I'm curious who is more worthy than Thor and is being denied?

Of course worthiness is a very subjective term presumably defined by Odin somehow.

eta: added quote for page topper context

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 16th 2022 at 5:43:25 PM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144202: Jul 16th 2022 at 10:02:46 AM

My long-held theory is that, when judging people's worthiness, the hammer considers "of common birth" to be a mark against them

Beta Ray Bill and Eric Masterson already disprove that theory.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#144203: Jul 16th 2022 at 10:07:28 AM

And Cap is about as commoner as a person gets, at least in a modern first world country.

It's also a thing in the comics that the hammer makes exceptions in times of crisis (it's why Superman was able to wield it briefly in JLA / Avengers despite normally not being worthy), but most of the characters who have wielded it besides Thor in either continuity don't appear to be examples of that.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 16th 2022 at 10:09:42 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#144204: Jul 16th 2022 at 10:57:34 AM

Though I find it odd that Superman wouldn't be considered worthy.

He's one of the most honourable dudes around, among other things.

It really brings to mind what exactly worthiness means.

Like, MCU Thor became worthy when he willinging walked out to face the enforcer to try and talk Loki down, despite knowing he had no chance of fighting it.

That's something most versions of Superman would do in a heartbeat, including the one in JLA/Avengers, so how can he not be worthy?

One Strip! One Strip!
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#144205: Jul 16th 2022 at 10:59:33 AM

It depends on what being worthy means. Since it started as a test for Thor, it might be something about being both a warrior and a king, and Supes lacks the warrior side.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#144206: Jul 16th 2022 at 11:06:45 AM

Superman has a pretty strong do not kill rule for himself

A space viking god king probably needs that option on the table

Hell, Mjolnir herself said it’s mostly about willingness and ability to break any number of things and people with her. But she had a Mangog in her at the time so take it with a planet of salt

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#144207: Jul 16th 2022 at 11:08:50 AM

Ok, I can buy that.

Supes may be powerful, and he can fight, but he's never really been a warrior at heart. He gets no joy from it.

One Strip! One Strip!
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#144208: Jul 16th 2022 at 12:26:52 PM

I wasn't saying the hammer only deemed people of noble/royal birth to be worthy, but that having that parentages gives your worthiness a boost in the hammer's eyes. So Thor, being the son of a god-king, can get away with having his various failings and still be worthy, while someone of common stock would need to be a lot purer of character to qualify.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144209: Jul 16th 2022 at 2:47:06 PM

That still doesn't fit with what we've seen of Mjolnir. In the film or in the comics, it doesn't seem like Mjolnir cares about bloodline.

Protagonist506 from Oregon Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#144210: Jul 16th 2022 at 2:54:03 PM

I doubt Mjolnir cares about bloodline. I think Superman being unworthy doesn't really add up, though him lacking a "Warrior Side" actually would explain it.

Leviticus 19:34
dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144211: Jul 16th 2022 at 3:00:06 PM

First mcu and comics are not the same and trying to figure out worthiness of one from the other doesn't fly. The humility/self sacrifice factor of Thor 1 may or may not apply to the comics one.

Everything comics is Depending on the Writer so there are no hard and fast rules but spidey has beed denied worthiness explicitly for the no killing rule. In the earlier DC vs Marvel book Wonder Woman was worthy and modern Diana's thing is being willing to kill (as much as I hate it) so it kind of tallys there.

Edit: typos.

Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 16th 2022 at 11:02:13 AM

GNinja The Element of Hyperbole. from The deepest, darkest corner of his mind. Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
The Element of Hyperbole.
#144212: Jul 16th 2022 at 3:03:37 PM

I always just assumed that the Hammer was biased in favour of Thor, and for him to pick up he just has to not be a jackass, while everyone else has to be a paragon of virtue if they want to have a shot.

Edited by GNinja on Jul 16th 2022 at 10:04:28 AM

Kaze ni Nare!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#144213: Jul 16th 2022 at 3:22:41 PM

[up][up] Hell in comics it's been retconned that Mjolnir actually has a sentient Godstorm trapped inside and it can decide who is worthy to wield it or not.

Making the worthiness requirement completely meaningless as it's now at the whims of an inhuman whether pattern that craves destruction.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#144214: Jul 16th 2022 at 3:33:35 PM

And now Odin is in it.

What a wild life Thor lives.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#144215: Jul 16th 2022 at 8:10:52 PM

Just finished Ms Marvel. Really enjoyed it, glad it didn't really go all-in on the dramatic world-ending conflict it foreshadowed and instead had the final episode focusing on a much smaller-scale conflict with a lighter tone.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 16th 2022 at 8:11:10 AM

MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#144216: Jul 16th 2022 at 8:42:15 PM

[up] I'm really glad that last episode was small stakes. I was pretty lukewarm on the series throughout that whole djinn detour. I've talked to death about it in the actual Ms. Marvel thread so I won't go on about it here, but overall I enjoyed the show.

It did get me hyped for The Marvels. I've just recently realized that The Marvels is the first real "crossover" event we're having in Phase 4 (aside from NHW, but that's not the same thing). The best part of a shared universe is introducing disparate characters and then seeing them interact. That's something this phase has been lacking so far — lotta setup, not much payoff.

regulation pigeon
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#144217: Jul 17th 2022 at 1:48:03 AM

According to casting rumors, Supergirl actress Melissa Benoist might become Sue Storm

https://scaremag.com/2022/07/supergirl-star-melissa-benoist-tipped-for-fantastic-four/

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#144218: Jul 17th 2022 at 5:46:36 AM

In a strange case of irony Sue Storm will now be wearing a miniskirt and leggings.

Ohmknight _(o)_ from the End Since: Jul, 2020 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
_(o)_
#144219: Jul 17th 2022 at 6:27:48 AM

[up]I don't get the joke.

The Final Name
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#144220: Jul 17th 2022 at 7:15:05 AM

[up] Supergirl's Outfit (up until Season 5).

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#144221: Jul 17th 2022 at 7:53:54 AM

Benoist played the girlfriend of Miles Teller's character in Whiplash. And Teller played Reed Richards in the 2015 Fantastic Four film. So, this would be Hilarious in Hindsight if true.

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#144223: Jul 17th 2022 at 10:01:42 AM

Seeing that their "source" is 4chan, I'm takimg it with a bowl of salt.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#144224: Jul 17th 2022 at 1:53:20 PM

Not only that, the article itself mentions other actresses as well.

Haven't we moved on from just sharing random links? If something isn't confirmed by someone who works for Marvel, or one of the big trades, then you might as well not bother with a link and just say whatever "trust me, bro" idea pops into your head.

fasoman1996 Google "big ears" from Argentina (A.K.A. Naziland) Since: Dec, 2014 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Google "big ears"
#144225: Jul 17th 2022 at 7:45:22 PM

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/screenshot_20220717_234150_reddit_2.jpg

This made me laugh so hard.

Btw, what are your expectations for BW: Wakanda Forever? Mine? Low.

Uni cat

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