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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144176: Jul 15th 2022 at 10:57:49 AM

She got a lot of use from Al Ewing actually.

She's also one of the only characters from Avengers Academy that joined an Avengers team(Mighty Avengers and New Avengers).

Ava is also the White Tiger that keeps popping up,even the voices anthology books and she was part of the Daughter's of Liberty.

At this point she has had more appearances than her niece Angela Del Toro.

Edited by Cortez on Jul 15th 2022 at 3:57:34 PM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#144177: Jul 15th 2022 at 12:33:37 PM

I still think Hector and Angela would be the best choices for Tigers in this continuity, and given that I'm pretty sure Hector was the first Puerto Rican superhero, I'm genuinely shocked he still hasn't appeared.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#144178: Jul 15th 2022 at 12:48:34 PM

It's an old idea, but I still love the idea of Silverclaw getting her own movie/show. She's the daughter of a Central American volcano goddess, Peliali, and was raised in a church orphanage sponsored by the Avenger's Jarvis (which could be Vision in the MCU). When she grew up, she took a plane to the USA to attend University, but the plane was hijacked by terrorists and she fought them, and when the Avengers showed up, there was a misunderstanding and she fought them for a bit before they teamed up to take down the terrorists.

Later, she returned to her home country with the Avengers to find an evil sorcerer sacrificing Peliali to some dark nether realm gods to gain ultimate power. Silverclaw can't beat him herself, but she gets the villagers to worship Peliali, making the goddess stronger until she can break free. The sorcerer deals Peliali a mortal blow, but his dark gods, angered that he didn't have a sacrifice, took his soul instead.

That sounds like a movie/tv show to me. Maybe cut out the Avengers from some scenes and focus it mainly on Silverclaw. My only concern is that it sounds quite a bit like Moon Knight.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Jul 15th 2022 at 12:49:50 PM

lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
The sleepiest good boi
#144179: Jul 15th 2022 at 12:51:17 PM

[up]Well, Vision's a bit dead/white/finding himself at the moment, so it might have to be somebody else.

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144180: Jul 15th 2022 at 12:56:02 PM

I wonder when we'll find out what's up with White Vision.

I still think Hector and Angela would be the best choices for Tigers in this continuity,

You can do all three of the Ayalas and combine the White Tigers and the Sons of the Tiger.

Have Hector, Ava and Angela wear the the three pieces of the Tiger amulet the same way the Sons of the Tiger did.

Edited by Cortez on Jul 15th 2022 at 5:27:09 AM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#144181: Jul 15th 2022 at 1:05:55 PM

True, Kasper Cole also deserves his day.

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Funny but not helpful
#144182: Jul 15th 2022 at 2:16:17 PM

“ She got a lot of use from Al Ewing actually.

She's also one of the only characters from Avengers Academy that joined an Avengers team(Mighty Avengers and New Avengers).”

Oh I meant specifically in the avengers academy book which was already over stuffed with stuff when she was brought in

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144183: Jul 15th 2022 at 2:26:01 PM

[up]×2

I said the Ayalas. I don't think Hector, Ava or Angela have ever met Kasper and Kasper is more of a Black Panther character anyway.

[up]

Ah, that makes sense. A lot of the extra students ended up in the background. Only Ava and Laura got any focus, but not as much as the central cast.

Edited by Cortez on Jul 15th 2022 at 5:28:56 AM

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#144184: Jul 15th 2022 at 2:43:39 PM

[up]But Kasper has been a Tiger too and conceivably could pick up the legacy mantle for Panther.

Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#144185: Jul 15th 2022 at 3:04:22 PM

But he doesn't use the Tiger amulet.

HasturHasturHastur from Wheah the fahkin baby wheel is, Jay Since: Nov, 2010
#144186: Jul 15th 2022 at 8:25:14 PM

Now that I think of it, Kasper Cole could be a good long-term way of solving the Letitia Wright problem: establish him as a Tiger and maybe change his origin to have him be of long-lost Wakandan royal blood, and have Shuri (assuming she becomes the new Panther) willingly give up her post to him because she sees him as more worthy and able to be a better Panther. I supposed the Tiger God (probably Baihu/Byakko) could also be introduced as a rival of Bast.

J79 Since: Jan, 2015
#144187: Jul 16th 2022 at 7:03:47 AM

Have they ever revealed how Uncle Ben died in the MCU? I dont think it's ever mentioned. It should be noted he doesnt HAVE to have died the way he did in the comics, it could have been a heart attack, a stroke, cancer, maybe he was even one of the casualties in the battle of NYC.

uncertanSearcher It's always Season of the Witch from Germany Since: Oct, 2017
It's always Season of the Witch
#144188: Jul 16th 2022 at 7:09:33 AM

He himself has never directly been mentioned, only vagely alluded to. So no, we have just as little idea about his death as everything else about him.

And No way home kinda gave the same role he usually has to May instead.

Edited by uncertanSearcher on Jul 16th 2022 at 5:48:19 PM

MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#144189: Jul 16th 2022 at 8:20:29 AM

This can only mean one thing. Uncle Ben is Mephisto.

Joking aside, he was mentioned in the zombies episode of What If...?.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#144190: Jul 16th 2022 at 8:47:49 AM

Yeah, it's not known if Uncle Ben even exists in the MCU.

Edited by Forenperser on Jul 16th 2022 at 5:47:55 PM

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MatthewWayne The Tapestry Weaver from Camp Echo One Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
The Tapestry Weaver
#144191: Jul 16th 2022 at 8:51:16 AM

If he existed in the zombie timeline, there's a damn good chance he exists in the Sacred Timeline.

And it's not like Peter-1 was confused at the notion of Uncle Ben existing when Peters 2 and 3 brought him up.

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XMenMutant22 The Feline Follies of Felix the Cat Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#144192: Jul 16th 2022 at 8:53:15 AM

[up]X2: Wayne just explicitly mentioned What If...?, which was also forbade from adapting or creating characters that weren't already mentioned or hinted in the MCU. Considering the prior allusions in the main Spidey films, it's safe to say he did to allow that.

Edited by XMenMutant22 on Jul 16th 2022 at 11:53:46 AM

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#144193: Jul 16th 2022 at 9:20:08 AM

How do Jane's powers work in Love and Thunder? She's got Mjolnir therefore she has Thor's powers right?

Does that mean in Endgame Steve effectively had Thor's level of durabilitt and strength?

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144194: Jul 16th 2022 at 9:23:38 AM

Some people thought that considering he was able to punch Thanos to the ground and hold him down barehanded, but Steve’s already enhanced so there’s less difference to compare.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#144195: Jul 16th 2022 at 9:26:21 AM

The Exact Words of Odin's enchantment were that whoever picks up the hammer, if they be worthy, shall have the power of Thor.

If the hammer didn't grant someone Thor's strength, then Cap hitting Thanos with it wouldn't have accomplished much. It'd just be Cap hitting him with a large hammer. Remember, it took Steve both hands and all his might just to pry apart Thanos's fingers.

Edited by RavenWilder on Jul 16th 2022 at 9:27:29 AM

dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#144196: Jul 16th 2022 at 9:31:18 AM

A very well balanced hammer though.

What was interesting was unlike Vision, Cap made use of Thor's lightning as well. Vision did just it as a Hammer.

Vision worthy: yay or nay?

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#144197: Jul 16th 2022 at 9:36:38 AM

My long-held theory is that, when judging people's worthiness, the hammer considers "of common birth" to be a mark against them. Hence why people arguably worthier than Thor can't pick it up, because they're not of royal blood (unless their other qualities are so extremely worthy, it makes up the difference, like with Steve).

Vision, being an android, is of no birth, neither noble nor common, so he gets to skip that part of the worthiness assessment.

jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#144198: Jul 16th 2022 at 9:37:53 AM

Then again, Vision didn't really need lightning, since he could shoot mind laser from his stone.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#144199: Jul 16th 2022 at 9:39:26 AM

I doubt very much that common birth is a problem for Mjolnir. Note that every wielder but Thor in the MCU is a "commoner" of sorts.

Edited by M84 on Jul 17th 2022 at 12:39:51 AM

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#144200: Jul 16th 2022 at 9:42:07 AM

As far as we know Jane isn’t of noble birth, unless the hammer counts “was a Queen in a galaxy far far away”.


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