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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
This fanart would be a great look for Doom in the MCU.
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Wmkv3y
Edited by Avenger09 on Jul 21st 2022 at 12:34:33 PM
Based on what he dedicated his entire career too? I think removing a impactful black character from film would absolutely be outside of the realm of what he wanted. Mostly because we know what he wanted in regards to representation. He wasn't exactly secretive about it.
It's important to remember that Chadwick's entire approach towards film was exposure for black historical figures and characters. That's what Chadwick was about. It doesn't take a lot of work to conclude that preventing people from ever being exposed to a black figure - historical or fictional - again because he's no longer around to play them doesn't line up with those intentions.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 13th 2022 at 4:26:06 AM
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There's always a need for a government asshole.
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I like it. Very medieval-looking.
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I dunno. I feel like ignoring the man's stance on race, and his intentions for doing the work he did in Hollywood, because it's inconvenient to us at the time and we might be tired of hearing about the issue is even more disrespectful, if not kind of offensive to his memory, but that's absolutely a direction that will derail the thread.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 13th 2022 at 4:30:54 AM
Hey we want representation but only if it's this one specific character is a hell of a take.
eta: recast a beloved character is also a gamble. A legacy character is also a gamble. It depends on writing and performance if they are accepted or not.
Unlike Luke Cage, Black Panther is an identity and a mantle. You can even play with the meta context of the inadequate inheritor.
Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 13th 2022 at 12:36:18 PM
This is an extremely sticky issue and I don't think anyone is wrong.
In fact, because of the circumstances behind how it happened, I think no matter what decision was made, there'd be a massive amount of controversy.
There's no right choice here. At least that's my take on it.
One Strip! One Strip!It's definitely a blow. Whether representation exists without this character doesn't mean it's not a blow overall.
It sends a bad message when white characters can be replaced and recast constantly but the biggest black character in the world is treated as expendable. It's hard to explain to the children who looked up to the character that they can't have the character any more, and it stands out as - well - a shame because there's no reason Marvel couldn't honor Chadwick while continuing to have the character be around.
When it comes to representation, there's also an issue of having to make due. T'Challa's replacement as Panther will obviously also be black. But we still have to choose. Unlike how Iron Man or Thor's mythos can build a whole stable around itself, they've made several decisions in the last few years to keep the black headlining series small: we can either have T'Challa or Shuri or Okoye or M'Baku or whoever, not more than one, and we can't have the characters build a stable. I fully expect that Shuri will be the next Panther, but it sours that ascension that this decision was made for replacement purposes. That the next film is outright making itself about building up Namor and apprently incoming Fantastic Four characters rather than continuing to develop Panther's mythos is further part of the problem, but it's not the impetus of it. It's just a bad look all around.
Edit: That took me a while to write since I wanted to get my thoughts straight. If the thread has moved on in the time since, feel free to ignore it.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 13th 2022 at 4:47:44 AM
White characters aren't being recast and replaced constantly in the MCU. That's why Tony Stark and Steve Rogers were written out when their actors retired from the roles.
I'm not trying to be the person Gaon was talking about. Recasting is a totally viable option but so is not recasting. Both have strengths and weaknesses.
I don't agree that recasting is better for representation, I do agree the prominence of non wakandan characters like namor and doctor doom being rumoured appearing is a worrying sign but I think that's a separate issue from recasting or not.
Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 13th 2022 at 12:54:12 PM
I'm thinking about it, it's like sure Batman is the big man but dude has had a bunch of successful properties already from movies, tv shows, and video games, so it's okay to demote him in stuff to focus on other characters.
And this applies to the MCU, Tony and Steve did have at minimum an entire trilogy plus their appearances in the Avengers film before the characters retired.
T'Challa though finally had the shot to be the big man but the unfortunate tragedy means he's now losing that opportunity after only one starring movie.
This was T'Challa's shot to be The Guy and now it's fucked.
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 13th 2022 at 5:04:05 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Tony and Steve being removed is in context with the two having three entire movies about them each, and only being retired once their actors had done everything they felt they could with the character.
When we talk about recasting, it's important to remember the context: Spidey hasn't been recast within the MCU, but there's still been so many Spider-Men within the last decade or so that there was a whole movie made just about putting them all in a single space last year.
With that in mind, it's then important to remember how much real estate the MCU has in the upcoming years. Is Marvel liable to make a new, recast Tony Stark series anytime soon? Within the next decade, maybe even two? Nah. That character is done in film for a long time. Every character they retire is done for a long time - that's just how a concept like the MCU works.
Like
said, this was T'Challa's shot, and it's fucked.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 13th 2022 at 5:06:32 AM
I don't know how to respond to this without seeming like a dick.
Yes, it's very sad that T'Challa only got one movie to star in.
But if the point was T'Challa should be recast to keep the representation. T'Challa is not the be all end all of black representation.
You were saying that replacing him in universe sends a bad message. I think it's an equally bad message to think there's only one black character that anyone will care about.
Eta: there's no guarantee audieciences will enjoy a legacy BP but there's no guarantee they'll enjoy a non-Bodeman T'Challa.
Edited by dcutter2 on Jul 13th 2022 at 1:12:56 PM
Beyond that, I too don't know how else to unpack that. Responding to "this black character who inspired people getting removed is a blow" with "there will be other black characters" feels - put very gently - kind of tone deaf.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 13th 2022 at 5:16:14 AM
Yeah but thats the Black Panther character people care about.
Its like if you make a Power Man movie but instead of casting Luke Cage, you instead cast Victor Alvarez.
Hell the upcoming Gotham Knights show is about an OC son of Batman called Turner Hayes. Everybody hates it for various reasons, including the fact its starring a character nobody cares about instead of someone with a real name like any of the actual children of Batman.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Gyrich was also in Black Panther comics too amusingly enough
Dudes been a lot of of places
Edited by slimcoder on Jul 13th 2022 at 4:18:20 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."